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Old 09-04-2008, 06:53 PM     Post subject: Couple of potentially too thin vb's on 4-straight vs donkeys #1 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1, villain is 44/9, passive station.

Button ($1086.40)
SB ($404.50)
Hero (BB) ($445)
UTG ($1066.55)
MP ($433.50)
CO ($800)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
3 folds, Button calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises $18, Button calls $18

Flop: ($46) 2, A, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $32

Turn: ($110) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $80, Button calls $80

River: ($270) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $130

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Hand 2, villain runs ~41/6 over 80 hands, wtsd 21 and high agg%'s though these obv haven't converged at all yet. No read but he's no JoeThePro!


BB ($445.30)
UTG ($400)
Hero (MP) ($1034.50)
CO ($400)
Button ($783.20)
SB ($472)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, A
1 fold, Hero raises $14, 3 folds, BB calls $10

Flop: ($30) A, 9, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $24, BB calls $24

Turn: ($78) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $50, BB calls $50

River: ($178) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $110

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Old 09-04-2008, 07:15 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'm fine with 1 but I think 2 is borderline. Technically your hand is stronger in the 2nd hand but the board is worse/may hit his range a little harder on average. I also think you get more calls by worse hands in the first one than the second, although both of these guys are probably capable of astonishing feats of derring-d'oh!.
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I'm fine with 1 but I think 2 is borderline. Technically your hand is stronger in the 2nd hand but the board is worse/may hit his range a little harder on average. I also think you get more calls by worse hands in the first one than the second, although both of these guys are probably capable of astonishing feats of derring-d'oh!.
i think this is well put and i dont know what else to add. im definitely happier betting the river in 1 than 2, but i still think donks like this look you up with worse.

i would probably leave out villains river action in both hands to encourage more discussion.
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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What would be bad about checking the river behind in hand 2? If he was thinking I could see the bet but we're talking bad players....
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 my turn bet in hand 1 would be bigger
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Old 09-04-2008, 08:56 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 Bet/fold both seems good to me.
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 i really feel like you can bet 180 or 190 on the river on hand 1 and get the same result.
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Old 09-05-2008, 12:04 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 1 is good, 2 too is prob too thin; i like betting a smaller amount.
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