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Old 03-30-2007, 03:05 AM     Post subject: Couple hands to ponder. #1 (permalink)  
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Villain here is powerpill he runs about 23/18, I think hes kinda bad but I'm irritated with him after he sucked out with QQ v AA AI preflop on another table, hence the preflop call.

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Hero ($235.95)
SB ($138.40)
BB ($262.30)
UTG ($104.80)
MP ($153.35)
CO ($196.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 4.
3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($49) 7, T, K (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Turn: ($129) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $70, Hero ???


Villain here is TaTaTunes, he runs 21/12 and I again think he is bad, he also seems to be tilting. He has been betting every hand he is in on about 3 tables that we are on together.

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Hero ($293.90)
UTG ($261)
MP ($37.95)
Button ($443.75)
SB ($214.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, Q.
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($6) 2, 9, 6 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $18, SB folds, Hero calls $14.

Turn: ($42) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $32, Hero raises to $273.9, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $347.90

I posted results here because this was the following chat:
AA-pete-AA said, "weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
davisduong87 said, "fold that overpair"
davisduong87 said, "hahahhaa"
AA-pete-AA said, "tilt - a - tune"
TaTaTunes said, "naw str8"
AA-pete-AA said, "i always luv when the guy who pushes starts giving advise"
AA-pete-AA said, "prob had a set"
AA-pete-AA said, "he def didnt want a call there....no flush for sure"

Is my push here bad? My thinking was I can't let a set, Ac, Kc, catch up without making them pay their stack to see a river. Do people really think "he can't have a flush 'cause he pushed"?
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Old 03-30-2007, 04:43 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 I like pushing here, you're 1/3 to win alone and whatever FE you might have is good. I'm not folding though so calling is the weak thing to do, and if you thought you had zero folding equity then okay.

Hand 2 is fine, you want a call here by those hands.


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Old 03-30-2007, 04:58 AM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 call, i guarantee u have no FE
Hand 2.... hmmmm i could go for another small raise on flop? and then push the turn and hope he overthinks it?
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:10 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1- I raise/call push flop, as played against a typical 200nl opponent I push turn.

Hand 2- pot flop pot turn C/R shove river is my standard line.
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:15 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 2- pot flop pot turn C/R shove river is my standard line.
This line never works for me. If I check a blank river they ALWAYS check behind cause of the flush, unless they have another flush. Also isn't this letting him get to the river??
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:20 AM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 seems everyone liked the turn push.

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Hero ($235.95)
SB ($138.40)
BB ($262.30)
UTG ($104.80)
MP ($153.35)
CO ($196.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5, 4.
3 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB raises to $24, Hero calls $16.

Flop: ($49) 7, T, K (2 players)
BB bets $40, Hero calls $40.

Turn: ($129) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $70, Hero raises to $171.95, BB calls $101.95.

River: ($472.90) 8 (2 players)

Final Pot: $472.90

Results in white below:
BB has Kh Qd (one pair, kings).
Hero has 5c 4c (straight, eight high).
Outcome: Hero wins $472.90.

I think I had some solid FE here...
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Old 03-30-2007, 05:49 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I actually don't like the turn push because I think you really have very little fold equity.


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Old 03-30-2007, 05:51 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Jager- Actually thinking back, I resolved never to C/R river at 200nl, cause everytime I tried I realize they checked behind too much and if they did bet they folded to my raise too much. I came to the conclusion and overbet or pot bet was more profitable and I actually remember never C/R ing river for about 40k hands until I got to 3/6 where ppl were reading hands better and more concerned with extracting thin value.

So these days pot pot C/R is my line, at 200nl I think pot pot pot or overbet depending on your image is the best line. The turn C/R to me just risks a free card and turn your hand faceup- if your gonna C/R turn, C/R smaller so he will call incorrectly with a combo draw or a set.
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 Wow he rly should've folded KQ there donk. But as i said u have no FE unless opp is extremely thinking and nitty.
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 I think he has fold equity on that flop, why don't you raise it?
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Old 03-30-2007, 06:53 AM #11 (permalink)  
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Alright lets figure this out a little better...

He needs to call 101.95 into a 370.95 pot: 3.64:1

Which means he needs 21.55% equity against my shoving range on this turn to call.

My shoving range on the TURN here is something like AKs/o, AA, KK, TT, KTs, 76s, 98s(not clubs) and 54c. I would have raised QJc and 98c on the flop and sometimes TT. So lets just say its AK, AA, KK, TT, KTs,76s, 98s, 54s(this is really only 54c, but stove won't let me put just 54c in there).

Board: Kc Tc 7h 6s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 83.939% 83.94% 00.00% 1108 0.00 { KK+, TT, AKs, KTs, 98s, 76s, 54s, AKo }
Hand 1: 16.061% 16.06% 00.00% 212 0.00 { KhQd }

Every time he calls here he is making a mistake.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:00 AM #12 (permalink)  
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so we like the turn push AND we r right to like the turn push. Yay.
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:13 AM #13 (permalink)  
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Also I think I can have air here another 5% of the time and he still can't call:

If 16.06% *.95 +100% * .05 = 20.3% equity if I have total air 5%.



Note:If I calculated this wrong, will someone please tell me how to calculate it right.
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Old 03-30-2007, 02:43 PM #14 (permalink)  
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Hand 1) PUSH turn, you most definately have FE! Plus like you said he is tilty at the moment what better spot to get your money in, cause your not folding this ever anyways!

Hand 2) This is one where your play is based on what you put your opponent on. I can't say it's good or bad; to totally blow the villain out on the turn with the AI, but NH.
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Old 03-30-2007, 08:57 PM #15 (permalink)  
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I think he has fold equity on that flop, why don't you raise it?
You'll have more fold equity on the turn and given that villain RR preflop he is likely to stack off postflop more likely, especially on the flop and especially with the FD out there. Jager doesn't push here on the turn if he doesn't have an OESD to go with the FD.


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i like how u played hand 1, since he could have better air or maybe QQ.
calling seems ok too if he overvalues TP like that...but this works good for the metagame like in ur analysis.

but hand 2, i def like leading again on the turn more than c/r all in.
then again, if u c/r like that with AcX a decent amount than that could work out better..
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