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Old 03-22-2008, 07:47 PM     Post subject: a couple of hands #1 (permalink)  
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 1)Villain is donkish running 28/10/2
Whats the optimal line here.

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Button ($197.55)
Hero ($153.40)
BB ($25)
UTG ($62.95)
MP ($94.90)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, J.
2 folds, Button raises to $3, Hero raises to $11, 1 fold, Button calls $8.

Flop: ($23) 8, A, J (2 players)
Hero bets $18, Button raises to $43, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($109) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $41, [color=#CC3333]Hero ?

2) Villain is reg running 24/20/6.7 over 500ish hands.
No relevant history other than he's pretty aggro in general.
He has just sat down recently at a couple of my tables and we haven't really tangled yet.
Any value in raising at any point here?

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Hero ($102.50)
SB ($27.35)
BB ($20)
UTG ($149.65)
MP ($99.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
1 fold, MP raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) , , (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($9.50) (2 players)
MP bets $6, Hero calls $6.

River: ($21.50) (2 players)
MP bets $14, Hero calls $14.

Final Pot: $49.50



 
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Old 03-22-2008, 08:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1) I think I get it in on the flop.
2) I sort of like this line actually.
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Old 03-22-2008, 09:56 PM #3 (permalink)  
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1) I think I get it in on the flop.
2) I sort of like this line actually.
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Hand 1 get it on the flop. He almost never has a flush here and often wants to get it in with AKc.
 
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Old 03-22-2008, 11:17 PM #4 (permalink)  
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 agree ^^
as played in 1 just go all in
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Old 03-23-2008, 02:14 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 So in hand 1 I should be shoving over his raise for 150bb?



 
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Old 03-23-2008, 05:02 AM #6 (permalink)  
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So in hand 1 I should be shoving over his raise for 150bb?
Yea, doesn't really matter what you raise to I don't think. I'm curious as to what the reasoning behind the call on flop is though, but I do believe you are ahead of his range on the flop and that worse hands will get it in. I mean we did his top 2 in the 3 bet pot .
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 1) im either getting it in on flop or folding, but almost always getting it in, because so many turn cards suck ass for us. any club and a Q or K.

2) this line is fine. i think raising turn is slightly better though.
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Am I too nitty if i say fold pre in hand 2?
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If he's not calling my shove, I'm done with it.
 
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 hand 1 either make another raise on the flop and call a push or shove over the turn. I think shoving over his raise on the flop is a bit much since we are so deep.

hand 2 is good.
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Am I too nitty if i say fold pre in hand 2?
its pretty standard to call there vs a laggy player. if it were more like a 10/15, i think a fold would be better, but if you feel really uncomfortable calling with KQo from an MP raise, then you are probably better off just folding as it will do you more harm than good playing scared or worried.
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Am I too nitty if i say fold pre in hand 2?
its pretty standard to call there vs a laggy player. if it were more like a 10/15, i think a fold would be better, but if you feel really uncomfortable calling with KQo from an MP raise, then you are probably better off just folding as it will do you more harm than good playing scared or worried.
I'm thinking 3bet > call > fold.. what are you guys thinking?
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 i like to flat kq in position vs loosish tags open, and then call their cbet no matter what comes and go from there.
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1) I shoved turn and he flopped the nut flush. I was just wondering whether shoving flop would have been better. The reason I didn't was cause we were a bit deeper.

2) He had A9o, I didn't think he'd be calling me with anything I beat which is why i played how I did which i think is optimal in this situation vs this player.



 
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1) I shoved turn and he flopped the nut flush. I was just wondering whether shoving flop would have been better. The reason I didn't was cause we were a bit deeper.
Was it KcQc?
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Old 03-24-2008, 02:54 AM #15 (permalink)  
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 No he had K6 which was kinda weird.



 
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