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andr3w321
Old 05-21-2006, 08:25 PM     Post subject: a couple hands #1 (permalink)  
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Yeah so where did I screw up in these hands. First hand I'm confident he has a set. At what point do you shutdown?

***** Hand History for Game 4324129808 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 04:54:16 ET 2006
Table Middle Sea (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: pokerkings39 ( $149.64 )
Seat 2: Phu11 ( $140.60 )
Seat 4: arathym ( $135.32 )
Seat 6: BDaws ( $97 )
Seat 3: arennhack ( $91.73 )
Seat 5: lukejakal ( $49 )
Phu11 posts small blind [$0.50].
arennhack posts big blind [$1].
lukejakal posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to arennhack [ :Jh: :As: ]
arathym calls [$1].
lukejakal checks.
>You have options at Table 95986 Table!.
BDaws calls [$1].
pokerkings39 folds.
Phu11 raises [$2.50].
arennhack calls [$2].
arathym calls [$2].
>You have options at Table 95986 Table!.
lukejakal folds.
BDaws calls [$2].
** Dealing Flop ** [ :Jc:, , ]
Phu11 bets [$5].
arennhack raises [$14].
>You have options at Table 95986 Table!.
arathym calls [$14].
BDaws folds.
>You have options at Lady Ester Table!.
Phu11 folds.
** Dealing Turn ** [ :Qc: ]
arennhack bets [$24].
arathym calls [$24].
** Dealing River ** [ ]
arennhack checks.
>You have options at Lady Ester Table!.
arathym bets [$52].
>You have options at Table 95986 Table!.
arennhack folds.
arathym does not show cards.
arathym wins $143

Should I have pushed the turn or value bet the river here? Or was this fine? I'm confident the other guy had a T.

***** Hand History for Game 4326919436 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 15:59:00 ET 2006
Table Table 106803 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: ricardo831 ( $144.23 )
Seat 5: arennhack ( $121.52 )
Seat 4: Clint137 ( $159.38 )
Seat 1: ptwatt ( $69.44 )
Seat 2: mullaman ( $41.40 )
Seat 3: MIC74 ( $26 )
ricardo831 posts small blind [$0.50].
ptwatt posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to arennhack [ :Kh: :Td: ]
mullaman folds.
MIC74 folds.
Clint137 calls [$1].
arennhack calls [$1].
ricardo831 calls [$0.50].
ptwatt checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ , , :Qd: ]
ricardo831 checks.
ptwatt checks.
Clint137 checks.
arennhack checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ :Js: ]
ricardo831 bets [$1].
ptwatt raises [$3].
Clint137 folds.
arennhack raises [$10].
ricardo831 folds.
ptwatt calls [$7].
** Dealing River ** [ :Jh: ]
ptwatt checks.
>You have options at Table 96107 Table!.
arennhack is all-In [$110.52]
ptwatt folds.

I'm convinced folding KK in this spot is +EV. I know this has been discussed to death but I think his range here has to be KK/AA. Do you fold this? I waited for the time to runout to make my decision... I could have walked away with a $20 profit, instead I ended up losing a buyin. I really just talked myself into believing he might have AK or QQ but this is clearly AA I think.

***** Hand History for Game 4327013302 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, May 21, 16:09:28 ET 2006
Table Table 96107 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: subdriver753 ( $248.47 )
Seat 4: Betty_Busto ( $100 )
Seat 5: scootdogss ( $102.95 )
Seat 6: arennhack ( $129.35 )
Seat 3: paulhop111 ( $64.90 )
paulhop111 posts small blind [$0.50].
Betty_Busto posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to arennhack [ :Ks: :Kh: ]
scootdogss raises [$2].
>You have options at Table 106803 Table!.
SukMyJaggon has joined the table.
arennhack raises [$7].
subdriver753 raises [$20.75].
paulhop111 folds.
Betty_Busto folds.
scootdogss folds.
>You have options at Table 106803 Table!.
arennhack is all-In [$122.35]
subdriver753 calls [$108.60].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, 8d, 6d ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
subdriver753 shows [ Ac, Ah ] a pair of aces.
arennhack doesn't show [ Ks, Kh ] a pair of kings.
subdriver753 wins $260.20 from the main pot with a pair of aces.
arennhack does not show cards.
arennhack wins $134.27
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Old 05-23-2006, 07:11 PM #2 (permalink)  
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1-check behind on turn and check call river
2- raise preflop, just value bet the river
3-nh
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:11 AM #3 (permalink)  
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1-check behind on turn and check call river
He's out of position, I don't think he's getting a cheap showdown here.
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Old 05-24-2006, 12:39 AM #4 (permalink)  
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1- What does betting the turn accomplish? The turn is a bad card since now QJ wins, I would check/call the turn and check/fold river most likely.

2- I make a value bet instead of pushing since the board paired.

3- I just call his preflop reraise and get it in on that flop. It let's QQ and JJ think they're good and you're going to stack off to AA anyways. See the hand below, it looks like he has AA right? People do strange things, I wouldn't feel bad about going broke with KK preflop ever.

***** Hand History for Game 4338136495 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, May 22, 23:01:30 ET 2006
Table Table 106668 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: rdw4414 ( $49.70 )
Seat 3: ajrew2 ( $88.50 )
Seat 4: jtug5 ( $226.10 )
Seat 5: goonis420 ( $178.50 )
Seat 6: gmoney1156 ( $188.65 )
Seat 2: NineHighFTW ( $208.65 )
rdw4414 posts small blind [$1].
NineHighFTW posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to NineHighFTW [ Kd Ks ]
ajrew2 folds.
jtug5 raises [$8].
goonis420 folds.
>You have options at Table 106663 (No DP) Table!.
rdw4414 folds.
NineHighFTW raises [$22].
>You have options at Table 107418 Table!.
jtug5 raises [$32].
NineHighFTW calls [$16].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 7d, Jh ]
>You have options at Table 107439 Table!.
>You have options at Table 107418 Table!.
NineHighFTW checks.
jtug5 is all-In.
NineHighFTW is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
NineHighFTW shows [ Kd, Ks ] a pair of kings.
jtug5 shows [ Qc, Qh ] a pair of queens.
jtug5 wins $17.45 from side pot #1 with a pair of queens.
NineHighFTW wins $416.30 from the main pot with a pair of kings.
>You have options at Table 107439 Table!.
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:25 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Thx for the replies.
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:26 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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1-check behind on turn and check call river
He's out of position, I don't think he's getting a cheap showdown here.
the river check isn't necessarily for a cheap showdown, could snatch off a bluf from missed flush
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:33 PM #7 (permalink)  
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First hand, the players cold-call is suspicious. I probably check. If he bets, I call or fold depending on bet size. If he checks behind, I value bet the river if he's capable of calling with just a pair of J's.

Second hand, bet less on the river.

Third hand, call preflop, then most likely check-raise any flop that doesn't contain an ace. At that point he'll probably either fold or move in, and you'll have to call and hope he doesn't have aces.
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:35 PM #8 (permalink)  
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1-check behind on turn and check call river
He's out of position, I don't think he's getting a cheap showdown here.
the river check isn't necessarily for a cheap showdown, could snatch off a bluf from missed flush
There is no possible flush draw on the flop.
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