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fisherman

06-23-2008, 07:21 PM Post subject: Coolers or spew/bad play at 10nl?

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1. Effective stacks $10.42 bennythefish is 23/11/1.7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ibanezrg [3s] [Ah]
Arruda folds
Sethjulien folds
iltis321 folds
timolo23 calls $0.10
Ibanezrg calls $0.05
bennythefish checks
*** FLOP *** [As] [6c] [3d]
Ibanezrg bets $0.15
bennythefish raises to $0.75
timolo23 folds
Ibanezrg calls $0.60
*** TURN *** [As] [6c] [3d] [2c]
Ibanezrg checks
bennythefish bets $1.10
Ibanezrg raises to $3.30
bennythefish raises to $9.57 and is all-in
Ibanezrg calls $6.27
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ibanezrg shows [3s] [Ah]
bennythefish shows [4h] [5c]
*** RIVER *** [As] [6c] [3d] [2c] [7h]
*** SUMMARY ***
Board: [As] [6c] [3d] [2c] [7h]

The main mistake here is probably not re-raising the flop. In hindsight this seems a bad play. Semi-blufing draws is quite common (though I had no reads that he did this) and 45 is the only draw on the board. The only other hand with which he would have raised is Ax but if he had that he probably would have raised this PF. He could have had 36 but that is unlikely.

2. Effective stats $9.24. fabio37 is 77/8/1.5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ibanezrg [9h] [As]
Ibanezrg raises to $0.35
nikosak folds
fabio37 calls $0.35
leanne37 folds
dipser9111 folds
*** FLOP *** [9d] [8d] [Ac]
Ibanezrg bets $0.70
fabio37 calls $0.70
*** TURN *** [9d] [8d] [Ac] [Jc]
Ibanezrg bets $1.95
fabio37 calls $1.95
*** RIVER *** [9d] [8d] [Ac] [Jc] [3s]
Ibanezrg bets $2.75
fabio37 raises to $6.24 and is all-in
Ibanezrg calls $3.49
*** SHOW DOWN ***
fabio37 shows [Qd] [Td]
Ibanezrg shows [9h] [As]

This guy's range is obviously very wide. Although the J was a scare card on the turn it could have easily improved his hand to a lesser 2-pair than mine given his range i.e J8, J9 or given him a multi-draw/draw-pair combination which he was happy to semi-bluff. As it turned he made his very large draw.

3. Effective stacks are $7.48. elucio is 71/30/3

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ibanezrg [Qd] [Qc]
Ibanezrg raises to $0.35
LUIS2 folds
YAMAGASHI.6 calls $0.35
Wuppietje calls $0.35
elcucio calls $0.30
-WERNER48 calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [6d] [6c] [2s]
elcucio checks
-WERNER48 checks
Ibanezrg bets $1.00
YAMAGASHI.6 folds
Wuppietje folds
elcucio raises to $2.00
-WERNER48 folds
Ibanezrg calls $1.00
*** TURN *** [6d] [6c] [2s] [6s]
elcucio checks
Ibanezrg bets $3.00
elcucio calls $3.00
*** RIVER *** [6d] [6c] [2s] [6s] [4c]
elcucio checks
Ibanezrg bets $8.58 and is all-in
elcucio calls $2.13 and is all-in
Uncalled bet of $6.45 returned to Ibanezrg
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Ibanezrg shows [Qd] [Qc]
elcucio shows [6h] [9h]

This situation has cropped up quite a lot where there is a 3 of one type on the card on the board and I have an overpair. I am worried on the flop but the turn reassures me slightly because I know that is statistically less likely that he can have a 6. I have seen people with stats like elucio show down with lower PPs, a card to pair the board i.e a 2 or 4 here; or even just A high.

Can I get away from any of these hands? Thanks

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ATOTHEC101

06-23-2008, 07:44 PM

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hand 1 raise the flop, hand 2 fine, hand 3 id check behind turn for pot control as hes either way behind drawing to 2 outs or has u drawing dead, id then reeval on the river tho id never fold unless he like overbet shoved or sumthing.

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pankfish

06-23-2008, 11:37 PM

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Hand one don't complete. either raise the buttons limp or fold. Calling the raise on the flop is fine, raising is fine. I probably call again on the turn but I'm not used to playing limped pots so I'm not sure.

Hand two fold preflop. I know he is crazy loose but his raising range is actually tighter than averageand A 9 os has horrible reverse implied odds. On the river I would prefer giving missed draws a chance to bluff it off.

Hand 3 is a cooler. He isn't folding any pocket pair there so definitely bet bet shove. I mean quads, wtf?

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Viscount Vic

06-24-2008, 01:18 AM

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1. Tough spot because when your reraised hard here, i find you got to have top 2p here minimum. I was expecting him to flip A6. He got lucky here but it's a possible fold here... Yesterday i had some donk shove in when i had a similar hand and i called and we ended up splitting but in hindsight i fold next time unless i'm up against a maniac.

2. I have made this mistake as well. Hes not shoving here with just 2p... pot odds be damned on the river, he has it, got to fold. Lost to many pots here to the exact same situation.

3. Another tough spot, it's 50/50 here.. Make cases for both calling and folding. A lot of people also just smooth call kings and aces at these levels to. I dunno if i could get away from this hand either. He did raise i guess which means now means your gambling on him having it or not...

pankfish

06-24-2008, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Viscount Vic

Why are we raising turn if we don't want to stack off? I think raising the turn is a mistake.

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2. I have made this mistake as well. Hes not shoving here with just 2p... pot odds be damned on the river, he has it, got to fold. Lost to many pots here to the exact same situation.

The mistake here is preflop. I also don't like leading the river. Calling or folding the river is pretty trivial imo.

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3. Another tough spot, it's 50/50 here.. Make cases for both calling and folding. A lot of people also just smooth call kings and aces at these levels to. I dunno if i could get away from this hand either. He did raise i guess which means now means your gambling on him having it or not...

There is no case to be made for folding.

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TonyB73

06-24-2008, 03:47 AM

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I think you're over-rating the value of your 2 pr hands on later streets. A wise man once told me that with 2 pr you've got to get your money in early and make them really pay to play, because by the turn or the river you're often beat, especially if any potential draws come in. I bet more on the flop in both, check the river in hand 2, and fold to both shoves (although I'm weak tight).

The QQ hand is just a cooler. Unlucky there.

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