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Old 09-05-2007, 02:52 AM     Post subject: Common steal against blinds situation #1 (permalink)  
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 Get a nice hand in late position and raise it up, reraised by a pretty tight guy (stats 20/15/1.90, 22% went to SD, 38% W$@SD over a fairly small sample). Villain hasn't gotten out of line, my image is a big aggressive. Once he calls my 4bet, I put his range at JJ+, AK and perhaps AQ.

Starting stacks are 120BB, and the pot is sitting at $30, with $55 left to bet. What should my line be when he probably has me on a similar range? It seems like I will only get action from QQ and KK on this board if I bet, but if I check, how often will JJ or AK take a stab or call a bet later on? Obviously I'm not too worried about free cards since no overcards can come that beat my aces.

Given how this guy has played so far, I highly doubt he is on a hand like KQ, JTs or 88.

Now what if we have KK in the same situation, instead of AA?

Cryptologic - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.25/$0.50 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $71.60
BB: $73.50
UTG: $60.80
MP: $50.75
CO: $38.10
Hero (BTN): $97.40

Preflop: Hero is dealt A A (6 Players)
3 folds, Hero raises to $2.00, SB raises to $6.00, BB folds, Hero raises to $15.00, SB calls $9.00

Flop: ($30.50) Q 8 3 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero...?
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:01 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 gotta bet the flop $20-25 , and get the rest in however you can. I wouldn't play K-K any differently.
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 I think the problem here with being hesitant to stick your money in with K-K/A-A in a 4bet pot is you are making the assumption that a 4bet range doesn't include air (this thinking affects your range obv). You can definitely still be a winner at 50NL without ever 4betting light, but one of the many benefits of having a wide range (made hands/bluffs) is being able to stick your money in easier. You might want to start 4betting hands like A-xs so your image will be such that it would be a big mistake not to put the money in with K-K/A-A in this spot.
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I think the problem here with being hesitant to stick your money in with K-K/A-A in a 4bet pot is you are making the assumption that a 4bet range doesn't include air (this thinking affects your range obv). You can definitely still be a winner at 50NL without ever 4betting light, but one of the many benefits of having a wide range (made hands/bluffs) is being able to stick your money in easier. You might want to start 4betting hands like A-xs so your image will be such that it would be a big mistake not to put the money in with K-K/A-A in this spot.
At the near rock garden 50NL that I play (crypto), a 4bet is a very rare occurence. In a 1000 hand session I might see 5 or 6 preflop 4bets in total (not just including hands I am one of the active participants. People here don't even seem to defend their blinds much by using 3bets. So all that psychology of "zomg is he 3/4/5-betting light?" is pretty much way out the window.

That and given that this guy is pretty tight/aggressive, he isn't calling my 4bet out of position with some junky suited connector with so little money left behind.

Also, I am getting my money in post flop no matter what happens, I just want some input to see if it is better to try to draw money from hands like AK and JJ in this spot, since I think these two hands are a huuuge part of his range. The last AA is unlikely, and if he had it, he would have pushed. Kings as well probably push preflop. QQ is less likely because of the Q on the flop.
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Old 09-05-2007, 03:38 AM #5 (permalink)  
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Also, I am getting my money in post flop no matter what happens, I just want some input to see if it is better to try to draw money from hands like AK and JJ in this spot, since I think these two hands are a huuuge part of his range. The last AA is unlikely, and if he had it, he would have pushed. Kings as well probably push preflop. QQ is less likely because of the Q on the flop.

My mistake, i sort of misread your post. But given his lower AF, i think your best play here is still to bet and hope J-J decides to look you up. IMO J-J isn't going to stab at this pot if checked to, since he has some SD value.
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 I bet $20 and stick the rest in on any turn.

At micro stakes, just bet against an unknown, even tight villains will call with too many worse hands (or at least call one bet).
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what would you do if you had AK?

Do that. Which is probably bet 20
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