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Old 04-04-2007, 05:15 AM     Post subject: Common scenario vs shortstack #1 (permalink)  
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 With no read on villain, I usually suspect the shortstacks to be retarded, and I see this done with any pocket pair as well as AK, Aq, and even random trash.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($52.05)
BB ($96.10)
UTG ($33.55)
MP ($114.15)
CO ($60.85)
Hero ($107)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, T.
UTG calls $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $5.50, 1 fold, UTG raises to $20, MP folds, Hero raises to $34, SB folds, UTG calls $13.55 (All-In).

When it comes back to us there is $19 dead money in the pot, so it is effectively $27 to play to win $46. Or, we could call and hope for a good flop and that'll be like $14 to call to win $46. Is this too close to fold or too close to call? I dunno, I'm thinking it might just be too small an edge to try and push. Also, S&M suggest AJ being the worst hand to call against a Shortstack, but against these ranges it has the exact same equity.

I ran some PokerStove calcs:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 36.907% 36.53% 00.37% 750671292 7676688.00 { QTo }
Hand 1: 63.093% 62.72% 00.37% 1288740132 7676688.00 { 22+, AQs+, AQo+ }


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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 26.397% 25.99% 00.41% 277668732 4373958.00 { QTo }
Hand 1: 73.603% 73.19% 00.41% 782061048 4373958.00 { TT+, AQs+, AQo+ }


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Old 04-04-2007, 05:29 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Don't raise preflop to begin with. UTG is just too short, and SB to a lesser extent too although we really shouldn't be worried about it.

As played, it's going to be close either way, just a matter of putting him on a range and going with it. Favor a call if it's extremely close, for sure.
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 You basically have no edge calling the limp-reraise, I'd suggest just folding to it.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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You basically have no edge calling the limp-reraise, I'd suggest just folding to it.
You don't have to have an edge if the price is right. I agree with lukie, put him on a range and go with it. I guess its all about the range you put him on.


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 I fold to his play preflop always with a hand like this. I just think you're domimnated way too often vs a trash hand.


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 As long you as you suck out I am fine with this.
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By common scenario you mean "shortie's gone all in and I have a crappy hand" - yup, happens to me all the time too
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Old 04-05-2007, 08:56 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 Case in point: limp reraise is BS a lot. villain is 60/8 (I misread preflop and thought he limp-pushed. I was surprised to see I had a call another bet :P)

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

SB ($196.20)
Hero ($124.50)
UTG ($84.35)
MP ($121.60)
Button ($280)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to $6, UTG calls $5, SB raises to $70.5, Hero calls $64, UTG folds.

Flop: ($146.50) 3, 9, Q (2 players)
SB bets $126.2 (All-In), Hero calls $54.50 (All-In).

Turn: ($327.20) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($327.20) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $327.20

Results in white below:
SB has Jh Ad (high card, ace).
Hero has Qc Qd (three of a kind, queens).
Outcome: Hero wins $255.50. SB wins $71.70.


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when limp/raising, shorties range is usually not that wide, i´d put him on something like 88+, AJs+, AKo.

I´m always confused, when i get limp/raised or limp/pushed and do frequently call him against my reads, just to race w/ dominated hands
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