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Old 07-09-2007, 08:39 PM     Post subject: common pre-flop squeeze situation in aggro games #1 (permalink)  
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SB is a well-known 2p2'er, running 23/18/2.2 over a lot of hands. He's 3-bet me a few times in the small # of hands we've played together and I've folded. My image might be laggro b/c I 3-bet his button steal earlier at this table and felted A6s vs. a shorty caller (CO) on an A-high flop. CO is loose passive pre-flop, running ~34/7 over ~100 hands.

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UTG: $621.45
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Button: $1093.20
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 9 9
UTG calls, Hero raises to $27, CO calls, Button folds, SB raises to $135, 2 folds, Hero...
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Old 07-09-2007, 08:43 PM #2 (permalink)  
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i think folding is the best play here...you don't exactly have set odds, and being sandwiched is a real problem preflop.
 
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Old 07-09-2007, 09:51 PM #3 (permalink)  
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If he's capable of making a play here, I think you need to call this once in a while then shove over his flop bet.
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:29 AM #4 (permalink)  
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That's the kind of hands that involves deeper thinking and clear reads. I don't know SB but if he is a thinking player I would definetely squeeze here pre-flop representing a big hand but 99 is borderline.
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Old 07-10-2007, 05:44 AM #5 (permalink)  
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if ur confused-fold

and honestly still probably fold
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Old 07-10-2007, 08:07 AM #6 (permalink)  
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whats up with the 4.5xBB PFR?? Any reason.
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Old 07-10-2007, 10:49 AM #7 (permalink)  
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whats up with the 4.5xBB PFR?? Any reason.
UTG limper.

i think this is a fold also. I dont want to be sandwiched if the coldcaller behind tags along.
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Old 07-10-2007, 10:59 AM #8 (permalink)  
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oops missed that limper
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Old 07-10-2007, 12:26 PM #9 (permalink)  
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That's the kind of hands that involves deeper thinking and clear reads. I don't know SB but if he is a thinking player I would definetely squeeze here pre-flop representing a big hand but 99 is borderline.
Maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but are you saying the SB should be squeezing with any two cards and if so then how is 99 borderline?
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if ur confused-fold
Probably good advice, but now I'm trying to clear up the confusion.

I think we're only a slight dog to his tightest range, but we have an inflated pot and a hand that will be really tough to play post-flop. If we play the hand, is it better to call and shove most aceless flops? Shoving pre-flop folds ~50% of his range imo, but obv we're a big dog if called. Is SB squeezing with a wide range unexploitable here?
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there's a well thread in the SSNL forum on 2p2.

23act, dunno who he his, but he's made lots of monies, so he probably knows what he's talkin about.

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think about it this way: if u raise to 4bb pf and get 3 bet to 14bb you can fold 3 times and only have to 4bet once (and take the pot down) to show a profit.
hmmm....25% of a 16% raising range is top 4% of all hands. maybe we shouldn't worry about light 3betters too much...
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hmmm....25% of a 16% raising range is top 4% of all hands. maybe we shouldn't worry about light 3betters too much...
99 is in the top 4% of hands
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hmmm....25% of a 16% raising range is top 4% of all hands. maybe we shouldn't worry about light 3betters too much...
99 is in the top 4% of hands
bloody hell...damn you borderline hand of 4%!!!
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Old 07-10-2007, 04:47 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 i thought this was a spot where id look to throw in another raise sometimes, maybe 20-30% the time?
Otherwise i like the passive route with calling (although my reraised pot play is reeeally bad)
The biggest advantage i can see with fnords line is that if the pot goes 3 ways and we start pushing over our hand looks really strong...
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Old 07-11-2007, 11:13 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I suck at blind play and just run good for what it's worth...

POKERSTARS GAME #10845447514: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/07/09 - 05:32:37 (ET)
Table 'Aeternitas' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Cekeey ($101.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Fnord ($101.50 in chips)
Seat 3: souple ($31.30 in chips)
Seat 4: criminal ($100 in chips)
Seat 5: wyldeyed ($129.65 in chips)
Seat 6: Birchy1982 ($49.45 in chips)
Cekeey: posts small blind $0.50
Fnord: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Fnord [8d 6d]
souple: calls $1
criminal: raises $4 to $5
wyldeyed: folds
Birchy1982: folds
Cekeey: folds
Fnord: calls $4
souple: folds
*** FLOP *** [3h 9d 7d]
Fnord: bets $8
criminal: raises $19 to $27
Fnord: raises $33 to $60
criminal: raises $35 to $95 and is all-in
Fnord: calls $35
*** TURN *** [3h 9d 7d] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [3h 9d 7d 5d] [8c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Fnord: shows [8d 6d] (a straight flush, Five to Nine)
criminal: mucks hand
Fnord collected $198.50 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $201.50 | Rake $3
Board [3h 9d 7d 5d 8c]
Seat 1: Cekeey (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Fnord (big blind) showed [8d 6d] and won ($198.50) with a straight flush, Five to Nine
Seat 3: souple folded before Flop
Seat 4: criminal mucked [Ac 9c]
Seat 5: wyldeyed folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Birchy1982 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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is CCing 86s in the SB standard for anyone else?
 
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is CCing 86s in the SB standard for anyone else?
LoL, the UTG limper was terrible. Still not a money call.
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