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Old 03-29-2008, 11:58 PM     Post subject: Combo Draw KTs #1 (permalink)  
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Villain was a bit spewy and overvalued TP type hands, standard way to play this?

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($14.75)
UTG+1 ($31.75)
CO ($24.80)
Hero ($24.20)
SB ($12.45)
BB ($17.10)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BTN
2 folds, CO raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, 1 fold, BB calls $1

Flop: ($3.85, 3 players)
BB checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero raises to $7, BB folds, CO goes all-in $23.55, Hero goes all-in $15.95

Turn: ($49.75, 2 players)

River: ($49.75, 2 players)

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Old 03-30-2008, 12:03 AM #2 (permalink)  
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:07 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Cool, I'm kinda learning to play these kind of draws a lot faster. Usually pre this is a fold, but vs this opponent I thought I coudl stack with the right kind of flop.
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:16 AM #4 (permalink)  
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 3bet or fold pre. as played nh
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:41 AM #5 (permalink)  
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3bet or fold pre.
calling pre clearly the best option imo
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Old 03-30-2008, 12:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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yeah calling preflop is fine. its def not 3bet or fold. flop play is standard.
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Old 03-30-2008, 02:09 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 ^^^^ what they said. why would you 3bet or fold that hand otb? if he were in the blinds i would agree.

muzz, you have the nuts here. you have anywhere from 12-15 outs against his range.
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Old 03-30-2008, 02:20 AM #8 (permalink)  
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Nice end to tonight session.... What a fucking ridiculous call so deep

$0.1/$0.25 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($24.90)
UTG+1 ($42.55)
CO ($34.60)
BTN ($24.65)
SB ($19.95)
Hero ($48.20)

Pre-flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, CO says "i was gettin close", 3 folds, Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero goes all-in $48.2, UTG+1 goes all-in $32.55, CO says "wow"

Flop: ($85.2, 2 players)
CO says "whos got what"

Turn: ($85.2, 2 players)

River: ($85.2, 2 players)
CO says "both show plz"

Final Pot: $85.20
UTG+1 shows:
Hero shows:

UTG+1 wins $82.2 ( won +$39.65 )
Hero wins $5.65 ( lost -$42.55 )
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:05 AM #9 (permalink)  
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 i doubt this player understands the concept of deep stacks. lol nh.
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:25 PM #10 (permalink)  
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^^^^ what they said. why would you 3bet or fold that hand otb? if he were in the blinds i would agree.
How could he be in the blinds? if we limped otb?

After looking at this hand, I think I'm going to stop limiting my decisions to raise/fold. Generally I folded this hand, but there's enough guys out there that allow you to play it for a profit @ 25NL...
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:30 PM #11 (permalink)  
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^^^^ what they said. why would you 3bet or fold that hand otb? if he were in the blinds i would agree.
How could he be in the blinds? if we limped otb?

After looking at this hand, I think I'm going to stop limiting my decisions to raise/fold. Generally I folded this hand, but there's enough guys out there that allow you to play it for a profit @ 25NL...
Yeah, it's usually a fold for me too. I just look for good spots where I have a decent read and I'm in position vs a very aggro opponent.
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Old 03-30-2008, 03:37 PM #12 (permalink)  
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As played is fine but if he's spewy and will stack off so easily, calling is good too. Part of the reason to play a draw so fast is to add some fold equity to your hand and to take the pot early against opponents who won't pay off; against this guy fold equity is low and pay off value when you hit is high, so I think you can go either way between calling and raising on the flop. I prefer playing these draws hard and fast against tight players (especially weaker ones). Against this guy you're just flipping coins. But you still show a profit, so I don't know if it makes much difference.
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3bet or fold pre.
calling pre clearly the best option imo
i thought he was in the SB when i posted that. definitly not a 3bet/fold situation, but i dont like a call that much either.
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3bet or fold pre.
calling pre clearly the best option imo
i thought he was in the SB when i posted that. definitly not a 3bet/fold situation, but i dont like a call that much either.
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Old 03-30-2008, 06:13 PM #15 (permalink)  
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fwiw I'm folding pre most of the time here.
umm why? CO is opening a wide range and we are in position with k10s...
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fwiw I'm folding pre most of the time here.
umm why? CO is opening a wide range and we are in position with k10s...
I agree, I call that all day long.
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Old 03-30-2008, 07:16 PM #18 (permalink)  
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3bet or fold pre.
calling pre clearly the best option imo
i thought he was in the SB when i posted that. definitly not a 3bet/fold situation, but i dont like a call that much either.
Why don't you like a call? There's no value in 3-betting this. You could fold I guess, but when I'm in position with a nice hand I love to call preflop and play some pokah.

Muzz, this is fine even against the tightest players. You're flipping with almost everything, and sets are only a 64% favorite.


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