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Old 02-25-2008, 04:18 PM     Post subject: Clueless with a straight 200bb+ deep #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain is a solid 20/15 and I don't really know what these bets mean. I'm 17/14. Whenver I'm clueless I just end up calling 3 streets.

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Hero ($863)
MP ($362.70)
Button ($403.20)
SB ($215.05)
BB ($1039.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, 7.
Hero raises to $16, 3 folds, BB calls $12.

Flop: ($34) T, 3, 9 (2 players)
BB bets $24, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($82) J (2 players)
BB bets $68, Hero calls $68.

River: ($218) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $202, Hero calls $202.

Final Pot: $622
 
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:14 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 Your line looks really weak here, and he probably doesn't put you on that strong of a hand.

He can have a pretty wide range of hands you beat, 2 pairs, sets and even hands like AAs, KKs, QQs might play this the same given how weak you look.

His river bet is pretty big which worries me that he could have KQ, or a flush, but I think you're ahead of enough of his range to at least call here.
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Old 02-25-2008, 05:38 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 You could raise fold the turn small.

Your line is good too.
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Old 02-25-2008, 06:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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ur line is.... dare i say... optimal!
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Old 02-25-2008, 08:08 PM #5 (permalink)  
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i dont particularly like it this deep. if villain is even remotely competent, when a decent player donks into u on the flop, it's generally 1 of 3 things ... a pure bluff because he thinks hte flop missed your raising range. ... a draw looking to b/3b... or a very strong hand liek a set (maybe 33).

When you're this deep and you've called the flop, villain is going to be giving up on most bluffs in this scenario on the turn. Some will fire a 2nd barrel if they are aggressive, but he has to realize that your hand just got there, as well as the flush. if you don't raise the turn you aren't getting sufficient information with regards to whether or not he has a flush or (more likely IMO) KQ.

Yes it's true that if he is super aggro he is capable of bluff raising u all in on the turn, but when playing deepstacked against a 20/15, i highly doubt he's capable of making a play like this, he's just too conservative.

given that you flat called the turn and nothing changed on the river, you still beat a set and top two pair so you have to call. that's probably why sauce says it's optimal, but i prefer the raise on the turn for info, i'd actually have raise this guy on the flop.
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