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06-14-2006, 02:41 PM
Post subject: Checkraised with TPTK on very dry board
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Straight
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I'd only played four hands against this guy, but he'd not done anything crazy so far. I think my only options are push or fold. It looks like he's fairly confident he's got me beat, and I've defined my hand pretty well. What do you guys think - too weak?
Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($297.35)
Button ($349.05)
SB ($181.15)
BB ($89.65)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with A , K . SB posts a blind of $1.
Hero raises to $8, Button calls $8, SB (poster) calls $7, BB calls $6.
Flop: ($32) K , 6 , 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $30, Button folds, SB raises to $85, BB folds, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $147
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Irisheyes
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fold.
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dsaxton
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Why are you raising so huge preflop?
I also don't bet quite as much on the flop, but this is mostly a stylistic thing. There are no draws present, and I want K-Q, K-J or K-T to call.
I might fold suspecting opponent slow-played A-A preflop, as this is the only hand that really makes sense given the action. I highly doubt he's making this play with a worse king.
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aislephive
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The PFR isn't huge, it's barely more than pot-sized. On the flop you are betting way too big. There aren't any draws on the board, so I'd bet about $20 and go from there. As played it's close, but without a read I fold, too. He'd be very stupid to check-raise with KQ or KJ, so it looks either like you both have AK, or he has a set or maybe a slowplayed AA. I like the fold though vs an unknown.
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Robert
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Yeah fold. and amen to dsaxton and aislephive about betting less, there are not draws present and you want weaker kings or even MP to call
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Muxy
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he only raised 4x
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Robert
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My comment was towards his flop bet, not about his prfraise (which is fine imo)
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jackvance
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Muxy
he only raised 4x
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He bet $30 on a $32 pot.
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badandy519
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All the confusion is because the converter says $1 BB and in the actual hand the SB posts $1, so it's obviously $200NL. Dsaxton (as well as myself and others probably) originally thought the PFR was to 8x the BB but it was really only 4x.
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Muxy
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by jackvance
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Originally Posted by Muxy
he only raised 4x
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He bet $30 on a $32 pot. |
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Originally Posted by dsaxton
Why are you raising so huge preflop?
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I was answering sax
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jo
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Straight
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Yeah, sorry 200 NL, with a BB of $2, so my preflop raise was 4x.
As to my pot-sized flop bet, given the multiway action I decided to play it very straightforwardly, and just try and take it down there and then, but given the lack of draws perhaps that was a mistake. Anyway, thanks for the advice.
Incidentally, if villain did have a set of sixes, do you think he played it well? Would it not have been better to wait till the turn to check raise?
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dsaxton
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A set rarely plays this way, and two pair is highly unlikely. This is clearly a one pair hand interested in taking down the pot right away, and he seems fairly confident, so my guess is A-A. A-K is also a possibility. Without knowing in advance that your opponent also plays weaker kings like this, you have to fold.
And yeah, I thought it was $.50/$1 NL because of the converter.
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alias2211
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given the multiway postflop action, and since you don't know him (4 hands) i think you give him the benefit of the doubt.
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UG
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Originally Posted by alias2211
given the multiway postflop action, and since you don't know him (4 hands) i think you give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Those are my thoughts exactly.
A fold is definitely good here......but, in my day I have definitely come over the top of this for a push, gotten a call, and seen Kx a few times here.......
But, without a read.......I fold 95% of the time here.
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bdawg56kg
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Potting this flop is not a bad thing if you do it often. It is bad however, if you will only do it with a very narrow range of hands, and the rest of the time check or bet 2/3 - 3/4 pot. Like dsaxton said, it's more of a preference of style.
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