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IowaSkinsFan
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02-18-2007, 05:32 AM
Post subject: Can't fold AA in reraised pot.... RIGHT?
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both opps are typical 100nl laggs with like 24/17 stats. Raising more preflop lesson learned, idk why i didn't.
PokerStars Game #8496477619: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/18 - 01:24:31 (ET)
Table 'Aretaon V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: hoboman50 ($107 in chips)
Seat 3: redgrape ($197.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Eli$Princess ($121.85 in chips)
Seat 5: bootliquor ($377.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Gowy1227 ($48.50 in chips)
redgrape: posts small blind $0.50
Eli$Princess: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ac Ah]
bootliquor: folds
Gowy1227: folds
hoboman50: raises $2 to $3
redgrape: raises $7 to $10
Eli$Princess: calls $9
hoboman50: calls $7
*** FLOP *** [3c 7h 5h]
redgrape: bets $24
Eli$Princess: raises $33 to $57
hoboman50: raises $40 to $97 and is all-in
redgrape: Really wants to fold and feels like this may be exception to the rule???
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benny999
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i can fold here. im not worried enough about eli$, but hobo looks to have aa beat by a lot since he must think at least eli$ will call. still, close decision with the pot so big...
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sauce123
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This is a call for me man, sry but overpairs, FD are just way too likely 100 BB deep to make this a fold, unless these players r very tight. You will have crushing equity here about half the time and two outs about half the time.
mmmmmmm variance.
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yorib
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With your loose style, I'd push. One can have a draw and the other can have an overpair. You'd play this the exact same way with AKo, or any of your reraising hands.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by yorib
With your loose style, I'd push. One can have a draw and the other can have an overpair. You'd play this the exact same way with AKo, or any of your reraising hands.
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my image is tight, i haven't been aggro at this table at all. And no I wouldn't play AK this way.
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Genitruc
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puke and flip a coin
if u fold you'll see 99 and pair + FD
If you call you'll see 555 and 777 
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Miffed22001
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someones overplaying something and someone has you beaten. Saying that you cant fold to this action without knowing your opps will only do this with a hand that beats you.
Preflop is fine IMO, maybe make it $13 then it doesnt matter but i dont think id fold here ever.
Im guessing QQ versus a combo draw fwiw, but they could in reality have anything.
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IowaSkinsFan
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bump.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Can't fold AA in reraised pot.... RIGHT?
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Maybe in a HU pot, but in a 3 way pot in this spot I could find a fold.
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swiggidy
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
bump.
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It's not necessary to bump things after 8 hours...
With that raise pre-flop you are giving villains the implied odds to chase their hands.
I've folded this flop before and seen villains flip over 99 and JJ. I still like a fold.
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andy-akb
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PF I like a bigger 3bet here. As played, you really cant find an easier spot to fold AA than this action, you simply arent ahead here. Do we really put them both on like QQ and JJ? I just cant imagine one of them doesnt have a set or two pair at worst. If they both flip over random hands you beat, then meh, make a note of it, but I would be surprised if that happened very often.
On a side note, I wouldnt really consider 24/17 lagg, at least not in todays games.
EDIT: As miffed said, I wouldnt be surprised to see somebody overplaying a small overpair, but I dont think we are going to be ahead of both of these players often enough to make this profitable
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Miffed22001
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were seeing QQ and a set or strong combo draw here IMO.
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Galapogos
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I fold, one of them has you beat and one probably has a strong draw that you're coinflippng with or also has you beat.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
were seeing KK and a set here IMO.
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elipsesjeff
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don't give set odds preflop if you aren't able to fold postflop.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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02-19-2007, 02:45 AM
Post subject: Re: Can't fold AA in reraised pot.... RIGHT?
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
both opps are typical 100nl laggs with like 24/17 stats. Raising more preflop lesson learned, idk why i didn't.
PokerStars Game #8496477619: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/18 - 01:24:31 (ET)
Table 'Aretaon V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: hoboman50 ($107 in chips)
Seat 3: redgrape ($197.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Eli$Princess ($121.85 in chips)
Seat 5: bootliquor ($377.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Gowy1227 ($48.50 in chips)
redgrape: posts small blind $0.50
Eli$Princess: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ac Ah]
bootliquor: folds
Gowy1227: folds
hoboman50: raises $2 to $3
redgrape: raises $194.50 to $197.50
redgrape: I'm all in
Norman Chad: And redgrape puts in almost as much money i give my 2nd wife for child support.
redgrape: Norman you donkey
Eli$Princess: folds
hoboman50: folds |
here's how you play AA... you'll never get sucked out again.
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elipsesjeff
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Originally Posted by Massimo
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
both opps are typical 100nl laggs with like 24/17 stats. Raising more preflop lesson learned, idk why i didn't.
PokerStars Game #8496477619: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/18 - 01:24:31 (ET)
Table 'Aretaon V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: hoboman50 ($107 in chips)
Seat 3: redgrape ($197.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Eli$Princess ($121.85 in chips)
Seat 5: bootliquor ($377.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Gowy1227 ($48.50 in chips)
redgrape: posts small blind $0.50
Eli$Princess: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Ac Ah]
bootliquor: folds
Gowy1227: folds
hoboman50: raises $2 to $3
redgrape: raises $194.50 to $197.50
redgrape: I'm all in
Norman Chad: And redgrape puts in almost as much money i give my 2nd wife for child support.
redgrape: Norman you donkey
Eli$Princess: folds
hoboman50: folds |
here's how you play AA... you'll never get sucked out again. |
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This seems close enough to me that either play is fine. I get all in because making a marginally bad fold bothers me more than making a marginally bad call.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Yeah I keep thinking that more people all in means less chance of me winning, but I don't realize it also means more money to win. I'm still not sure which is greater.
As I implied, small reraiser had KK and BU had 33.
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Miffed22001
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i read goot, but still wouldnt fold.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
i read goot, but still wouldnt fold.
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Yeah, I have a good feeling you're going to turn a 2 outer.
Not being sarcastic...an ace was the turn.
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lolzzz_321
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call and hit ur ace on the turn
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
Not being sarcastic...an ace was the turn.
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Were you watching more or something because lol an Ace did hit on the turn.
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NLHE lahooozaher
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by NLHE lahooozaher
Not being sarcastic...an ace was the turn.
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Were you watching more or something because lol an Ace did hit on the turn. |
Naw, after I replied earlier I requested the HH because you usually don't tell results as I was curious what the other 2 had.
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lolzzz_321
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NO YOU
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in everything u post people can look up the HH, so take them out, orrrrrr, put in the a siff HH number, thats funner
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Miffed22001
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just rig the results, so much more fun.
/miff fondles doomswitch.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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Lol at people being that impatient.
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