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andr3w321

08-06-2005, 06:20 AM Post subject: Are calls like these justifiable?

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Location: Chapel Hill, NC

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Given these pot odds I think these calls are correct but I thought I'd check with you guys. I get criticized by the table after the hand is over for them.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) converter

Button ($29.85)
SB ($40.60)
BB ($35.10)
UTG ($22.45)
Hero ($102.20)
CO ($100)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, Q

. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, BB calls $3, UTG folds.

Flop: ($10.50) 7

, 7

, 9

(2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3.

Turn: ($16.50) Q

(2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero raises to $8, BB calls $5.

River: ($32.50) 5

(2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero calls $5.

Final Pot: $42.50

Results in white below:
BB has 8c 9c (two pair, nines and sevens).
Hero has Kh Qd (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins $42.50.

Chat after the hand...
tfmoney29 said, "wth?"
tfmoney29 said, "flop?"
Dill's SHK said, "very lucky"
tfmoney29 said, "yep"
andr3w321 said, "turn?"

The villain bets less on the flop than I do preflop, which is $3 into a $10.50 pot. He criticizes me for calling this, but given that he bet so small isn't this a profitable call in the long run? I was iffy about calling the river bet because I was afraid of the 7 but I went ahead and made the right call. Thoughts? Did I play this correctly?

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journey075

08-06-2005, 08:01 AM

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raise flop. raise river.

your play is ridiculously predictable.

midas06

08-06-2005, 10:36 AM

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Location: NZ

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There are so many ways you could be beaten on that flop and turn with your top pairs that I wouldn't have called the flop.

Miffed22001

08-06-2005, 01:25 PM

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The other guy makes the correct play to bet at you on the flop with no overcards. is it so wrong to call? doubt it.
The queen comes so why not reraise it and find out where you are (id reckon at this point you were ahead)
Yeah, there is a case here for just calling preflop, for not calling the flop bet, for being too attached to overcards when you may be well and truly beat and yes you are going to pay off my set or other big hands. But i hope you thought you were in front because on the turn i would have thought i was ahead too.

bencathers

08-06-2005, 01:39 PM

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It's fine. He raises with top pair, decent kicker. He's trying to represent the 7, but by smooth calling your turn re-raise and doing a small bet on the river, he does a poor job of it.

Yes, he may say he's "advanced" and did a value bet to entice you to call the river... and that you had to recognize it was a value bet, representing the 7 and that you MUST FOLD IMMEDIATELY... but it was a small enough bet with a decent pot to call.

Do you think he'd be saying the same thing if the flop was 7-7-Q, he made the same flop bet, then caught an 8 on the turn and say you were lucky to win (because he was representing the 7 on the flop!)

You played it fine. He had a pair of 8's and thought that was good enough to win. He did a horrible job of trying to push you off the hand.

Your re-raise on the turn indicates to him he's beat, but he instead fires off a weak river bet because he's a poor player. He should of saved the extra 5 (unless, of course, he had trip 7's).

andr3w321

08-06-2005, 05:16 PM

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Here's another questionable call. After he check raises me the pot is about $34 and its another $10 to me to see the turn and river. This is why buying in shortstacked is a bad idea. If the villain had more chips he could have easily pushed me off the hand, but I think I have odds to call it since he's shortstacked.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) converter

Hero ($98.05)
SB ($83.10)
BB ($46.85)
UTG ($21.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K

, A

.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($9.50) 7

, 8

, 3

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $7, UTG raises to $17.5, Hero calls $10.50.

Turn: ($44.50) A

(2 players)

River: ($44.50) 2

(2 players)

Final Pot: $44.50

Results in white below:
UTG has Ts 3s (one pair, threes).
Hero has Kc As (one pair, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $44.50.

bencathers

08-06-2005, 05:31 PM

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Location: Manhattan & Boston

Posts: 480

He check-raised you with bottom pair. God bless him. There's probably a reason he buys in short stacked

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