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Called a raise in pos AJs in pos flop is J high - now what?

  
 
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:18 PM     Post subject: Called a raise in pos AJs in pos flop is J high - now what? #1 (permalink)  
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Ajs & KQs are losing money for me over the last 50k hands, I think because I had been 3betting them in pos & then overplaying
tp without at least tk.
In this situation there was a raise from 20/15 utg, co calls & I elected just to call otb with Ajs, flop is J high and pfr raiser cbets.

(Oh and I play a 60bb stack when starting at a table - no crits on that please.)

PokerStars Game #13343194280: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/11/19 - 17:22:53 (ET)
Table 'Ismene II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: skumbag666 ($51.25 in chips)
Seat 2: fab91 ($48.50 in chips)
Seat 3: lamppie ($15.20 in chips)
Seat 4: mardenhaag ($32.70 in chips)
Seat 5: Noble007 ($29 in chips)
Seat 6: chenwood ($57.05 in chips)
chenwood: posts small blind $0.25
skumbag666: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Noble007 [Ah Jh]
fab91: raises $1.50 to $2
lamppie: folds
mardenhaag: calls $2
Noble007: calls $2
chenwood: folds
skumbag666: folds
*** FLOP *** [Js 2h 3s]
fab91: bets $5
mardenhaag: folds
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:31 PM #2 (permalink)  
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U most likely have the best hand here - so raise. I usually fold to a 3-bet, but here ur stack size may force u to call, especially if u have seen utg 3-bet bluff or been overly aggressive before.

Fwiw i often 3-bet here pf (I'm running 19/14).
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Old 11-20-2007, 01:35 PM #3 (permalink)  
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with this stack size why not shove right here? you can't fold after you raise him on the flop can you?

full stack I definitely play same as you Andy.
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 i shove w/ only 60bb eff stacks.
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Old 11-20-2007, 03:52 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Fwiw i often 3-bet here pf (I'm running 19/14).
why? is just bc of the caller or do you just like 3betting utg raisers with AJs?
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Old 11-20-2007, 04:42 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Fwiw i often 3-bet here pf (I'm running 19/14).
why? is just bc of the caller or do you just like 3betting utg raisers with AJs?
Often, not always.
Ofc u have to adjust to how much the pfr adjust his openingrange according to his position, but i think we often are good vs his range and additionally have FE. If he opens all pairs from utg (these will be a large chunk of his raising hands here) and (mistakenly) calls our rr just for setvalue, we can take down the pot with a cbet. The coldcaller brings more money in the pot which make taking down the pot pf quite sweet.
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Old 11-20-2007, 05:09 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 push wtf?

call, lets play the turn, you have lots of cards to take it away with anyway.
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Old 11-20-2007, 08:06 PM #8 (permalink)  
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