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07-20-2007, 12:40 AM Post subject: A C/R flop push, thin AI flop call or fold, flopped nuts

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Do you like this C/R shove, or is this spew as usually only a set will call? I figure I have decent FE, and if I call I have a good set of outs.

I'm 47% vs. KK, 52% vs. JJ, 26% vs. a set

do you prefer a lead to a C/R? I felt it was 100% villain bet here. I wanted money in it, and I wanted to get all in on the flop.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed)

UTG ($144)
Hero ($217.10)
Button ($211)
SB ($366.20)
BB ($232.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP with Q

, A

.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, Button raises to $28, 2 folds, Hero calls $20.

Flop: ($59) 5

, 7

, T

(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $40, Hero raises to $189.1, Button folds.

Final Pot: $139

I might have let villain's decision remain unseen, but the same villain is in the next hand and I think he was steaming a bit after being c/r the previous hand. I feel like this was a really thin call, and I really made it because of the previous hand. What do you think? Anyone lay this down?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (5 handed)

BB ($141)
Hero ($270.10)
MP ($211.65)
Button ($362.20)
SB ($239.15)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J

, J

.
Hero raises to $8, MP calls $8, 3 folds.

Flop: ($19) 5

, 6

, T

(2 players)
Hero bets $10, MP raises to $40, Hero raises to $82, MP raises to $203.65, Hero calls $121.65.

Turn: ($426.30) Q

(2 players)

River: ($426.30) 7

(2 players)

Final Pot: $426.30

different villain/table:

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($54.80)
Button ($244.10)
SB ($58)
BB ($120)
UTG ($209.40)
Hero ($203)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K

, J

.
UTG calls $2, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, Button calls $8, 2 folds, UTG folds.

Flop: ($21) Q

, T

, A

(2 players)
Hero bets $10, Button calls $10.

Turn: ($41) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $22, Button calls $22.

River: ($85) 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $48, Button raises to $204.1, Hero calls $115 (All-In).

Final Pot: $411

Do you laydown here on the paired board, or is this always a call? I should have bet $16 on the flop and $35 on the turn I realize to protect vs. flush... but curious as to how everyone plays river.

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I Like Pie

07-20-2007, 01:05 AM

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Hand 1: I like
Hand 2: I don't get the mini-reraise on the flop. That hand looks ugly to me.
Hand 3: I bet more on the flop like you said, bet the turn and probably check/call the river

mixchange

07-20-2007, 01:11 AM

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I forgot to note why i did the miniraise, I felt he was 'playing back at me' and might not have a real hand, so I felt a minraise was just as good as a bigger raise risking less and that he would fold. Then he pushed, whoops. Do you call though hand 2?

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07-20-2007, 01:16 AM

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In the last hand I'm folding the river to a typical TAgg.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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07-20-2007, 01:27 AM

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Hand 1: Standard flop play against basically all players.

Hand 2: If you are planning on calling an all-in, I would have just put all my money in the middle once he raises.

Hand 3: I would fold the river as played. Also, I would probably check-call the river or make a smaller bet. You're encouraging too much action for this hand on a board that is very scary from opponents perspective (unless he perceives you as a maniac, his calling range for this bet consists of no hands that you beat).

Fnord

07-20-2007, 01:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

Also, I would probably check-call the river or make a smaller bet. You're encouraging too much action for this hand on a board that is very scary from opponents perspective (unless he perceives you as a maniac, his calling range for this bet consists of no hands that you beat).

1/2 pot on all 3 streets seems to be a reasonable value bet to me. A fair range of Ax hands might look him up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBvge-c2_Xg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-Xz8aLuD7Y

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07-20-2007, 01:50 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fnord

Quote:

Originally Posted by dsaxton

1/2 pot on all 3 streets seems to be a reasonable value bet to me. A fair range of Ax hands might look him up.

Assume you are villain. Your opponent raises preflop, and bets a flop of A, Q, T, you call, indicating that you probably have a reasonably strong hand yourself. He then bets again once the board pairs tens. Assuming he is not reckless, it seems likely you are facing a solid hand; at least a pair of aces, but most likely a pair and a straight draw or better, and you are also showing a fair amount of strength by calling him down. Then a four card straight appears on the board, and your opponent shows no concern and makes a confident bet. Would you call with less than a straight?

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07-20-2007, 02:13 AM

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I can't figured out which full houses he might have. I would think that QT, AT & sets would probably raise the flop with all the draws out there and I can't see 88 calling down. It would be sick if he showed T8. I might call this river but I'd probably time out thinking about it.

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07-20-2007, 03:41 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by I Like Pie

I agree with this, I'm having a hard time seeing what boat villain could possibly have here, that wouldn't have raised the flop or re-raised PF. Hero's bet looks suuuper weak on the river, and I think this may induce bluff raises on the river. The only hand I can see here is 108s or something.. and maybe AT, QT.. though seems unlikely given flop action.

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