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Faceblaster
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12-27-2006, 05:49 AM
Post subject: C-bets
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Everyone and their grandmother c-bets when they raise in posistion pre-flop. It's getting standard now to call C-bets regardless. So what are some tips for playing the turn with AJ, let's say, with a dead turn after a called C-bet. Do you call a bet here or fold. If they check, I generally check no matter if I have a hand or not, unless I'm trying to get rid of a fish. What about a large river bet after a check on the turn, if you still don't have a piece? Just looking for POVs. Thanks guys.
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aislephive
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Repeat that again?
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Genitruc
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I take this as a call-down line w AK unimproved vs maniacs sometimes. I haven't been doing it forever, but I mainly tend to do it when I'm preflop raiser but don't want to get bet off my hand after raising preflop by c-betting.
The situation you described needs a very strong read to call. I've done it/seen it done successfully before. It helps when there are draws on the flop that missed the turn and river though.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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IowaSkinsFan
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Your going to need to get more specific as the best answer is it depends. Most of the time, if you get your c-bet called your going to give up. If someone calls your c-bets everytime, you may want to consider to stop c-betting missed flops. It just depends on your reads.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Your going to need to get more specific as the best answer is it depends. Most of the time, if you get your c-bet called your going to give up. If someone calls your c-bets everytime, you may want to consider to stop c-betting missed flops. It just depends on your reads.
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Or start shooting second bullets against these guys.
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freechus9
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Most of the time, if you get your c-bet called your going to give up. It just depends on your reads.
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A c-bet is basically a bluff on a missed flop. If your c-bet gets called, they think your bluff is bullshit; gg, nice try. You should give up the hand, regardless of whether you think your opponent is FoS (UNLESS YOU HAVE A VERY VERY VERY STRONG READ). Just because your opponent holds air doesn't mean you can make chicken salad out of your own chicken shit.
On a side note, the point is to make your c-bets profitable in the long run. It doesn't matter if most of your c-bets get called. Say you get called half of the time. You need to be betting anything less than a PSB to make your c-bet profitable. Say they call you 60% of the time. You need to be making c-bets less than 2/3 of the pot to make it profitable in the long run.
Also, you shouldn't be making many c-bets against more than one opponent. If you are only against one opponent that isn't a calling station, you should be c-betting almost every time if you are the PFR. If you are against two opponents, you should only c-bet in position if there are no likely draws on the board. For example, if you hold AK and the board is 963 rainbow, you can safely c-bet if it gets checked to you. If it's something like 987 suited, obv don't c-bet. I rarely if not never c-bet against more than two opponents...it's a very bad idea.
Finally, I like to c-bet from any position if there is a lone A on the board on an otherwise dry board. If the flop is A74 rainbow, I'll bet from any position against two opponents, but not if it's AKJ rainbow. This may be a leak, but it seems to be working for me right now.
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