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Halv
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06-09-2007, 04:02 PM
Post subject: BvB, NFD raised on flop
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Simple little hand, stack size made it a bit awkward for me. I don't know if I had any reads or stats on the villain at the time, so let's assume he's unknown and our image is nittag. C-bet size should probably be closer to pot? What do we do on flop, and what is plan for later streets?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($398)
Hero ($533.60)
BB ($1052.40)
UTG ($451.60)
MP ($216.20)
Preflop: Hero is SB with A , 3.
3 folds, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $10.
Flop: ($28) 2, 6, 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, BB raises to $64, HalvSame..??
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i would say puke and shove. but stacks are deep enough that i think that's not the best play.
call here...and C/R a blank turn depending on how big he bets the turn.
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sauce123
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3bet or call and cr any turn all in
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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bigspenda73
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Which play has more FE, 3bet the flop-shove the turn or call the flop and c/r the turn AI?
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Toadstool
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best play here is too call and C/R any turn (apart from an A where I think C/C might be better as you dont want to make him give up a bluff when you have showdown value) as you have more fold equity because most people wait to the turn to get their money in plus it will liekly be a scare card for him.
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Alexos
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I think calling the flop and crai turn > shove flop
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bigspenda73
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However on this board wouldn't you 3bet AI the flop if you actually had a real hand as the flop is somewhat coordinted and sooooted.
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benny999
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i like to play aggro here...either a 3bet to like 170 and push most turns if called, or call and cr the turn.
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Genitruc
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At lower stakes games I just shove and flip (although lots of times you have villain drawing to 6 outs with lower  )
My favourite line in more aggro, hand-reading games is to call flop and :
-if villain bets big on turn, CRai
-if villain bets small on turn, CR enough to set up river push on any card
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Halv
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I 3-bet to ~165, he shoved, I called.
Re: call + c/r: someone address bigspenda's 2nd post "wouldn't we 3bet this drawy flop with our huge hands and try to get it in" please.
Thanks.
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IowaSkinsFan
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i feel like it would be weird to threebet here with an overpair or a set in a BvB pot so id c/r ai.
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