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Old 07-27-2007, 08:59 AM     Post subject: Bullied, or correct fold? #1 (permalink)  
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CO ($333.85)
Button ($391.95)
SB ($159.95)
BB ($197)
UTG ($205)
Hero ($195)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $8, 1 fold, SB calls $7, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($32) K, 7, Q (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $22, CO folds, SB raises to $64, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $76

Nitty fold? Seems very strong for KJ, KQ?



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MP ($325.85)
CO ($391.95)
Button ($202.95)
SB ($200)
BB ($205)
Hero ($165)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, K.
Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($25) K, 9, J (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, Button raises to $38, BB folds, Hero calls $24.

Turn: ($101) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $74, Hero ?

I guess I shoulda bet here, but what is your action here?
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Old 07-27-2007, 09:13 AM #2 (permalink)  
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I would shove hand 1. Draw heavy board against a short-buy in the blinds. Let's gamble baby!

Hand 2 is a more difficult spot because you're up against a full-buy who called you on the button in a smaller pot and your hand is a bit weaker on that board. Anyone just dump this to the flop raise?
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I forgot to note, same villain
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Old 07-27-2007, 02:15 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: i dump to the flop raise, he aint THAT short for me to go gamble with. His raise is strong IMO

Hand 2: I just muck against the flop raise as i did in hand 1. Your ahead of so so little and those hands you are beating are killing you in reverse odds
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 I fold both on the flop because I never see people reraise with TPTK or worse. Unless I know villain is capable of otherwise.


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Old 07-27-2007, 06:57 PM #7 (permalink)  
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 I shove the flop in Hand 1 and fold the turn in Hand 2

I'm not folding the flop in hand 2 with a gin card and TPGK

My nit post of the day: I fold hand 2 PF. **gasp**
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 I think the first ones an easy fold, the second one is close but a fold is also fine.
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 Hand 1). Flop c/r is too big to be a draw, and against an unknown i would fold this.

Hand 2). Fold. And playing K-Qo UTG is pretty marginal, unless the table is playing very tight i think you end up in too many tough spots like this on the flop.
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Old 07-29-2007, 02:43 AM #11 (permalink)  
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1. i wouldn't fold this.

2. but i would fold this one!
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I would shove hand 1. Draw heavy board against a short-buy in the blinds. Let's gamble baby!
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Hand 2 is a more difficult spot because you're up against a full-buy who called you on the button in a smaller pot and your hand is a bit weaker on that board. Anyone just dump this to the flop raise?
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I'm not folding the flop in hand 2 with a gin card and TPGK
TPGK doesn't beat any made hand on that board. Gin card is not important because it's an action killer and you might be drawing to a split. Also, you are OOP.
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Old 07-29-2007, 10:55 PM #13 (permalink)  
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no folding of hand 1

hand 2 is def more of a grey area
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Lately I've noticed a LOT of flop re-raises. I don't know what it is, but I'm seeing people do it with air thinking you are just cbetting with nothing, middle pair, draws... but often it's usually more like $22 to $50, just over 2x. The 3x raise usually means more business. But I think I call and on any non-draw completing turn I make a strong bet. SB could have KQ or 77 but lots of other stuff in his range is possible.

Hand 2 I might be good still as I've seen so many draws re-raise on flops lately but it's expensive to find out + they could hit their draw + we don't have TPTK so its a fold. I probably should fold this UTG unless its sooted.
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Hand 1: i dump to the flop raise, he aint THAT short for me to go gamble with. His raise is strong IMO
sorry this is pretty bad, i couldnt fold this here at all
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Old 07-30-2007, 09:46 PM #16 (permalink)  
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Your beating very little in both hands...unless you know villain is rather laggy.
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