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Old 11-14-2006, 10:50 PM     Post subject: Bottom set fold #1 (permalink)  
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 Villain's 56/14, hasn't been very aggressive postflop until now...

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $278.75
Hero: $321.45
CO: $80
Button: $44.70
SB: $262.70
BB: $192.20

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with 2 2
UTG folds, Hero calls, CO (poster) checks, Button calls, SB calls, BB (poster) checks.

Flop: 5 7 2 ($10, 5 players)
SB bets $6, BB folds, Hero calls, CO raises to $18, Button folds, SB raises to $86, Hero folds, CO folds.
Uncalled bets: $68 returned to SB.

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Final pot: $52
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:08 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 raised that flop everytime

as played, i like it, but do you fold if sb has only 100bb? I think you have to push against a guy like that if he's a bit less deep cause he probably completes 72s, 52s and may possibly think they are the nuts.
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:25 AM #3 (permalink)  
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NO DON'T FOLD A SET HERE HYACHAJHCYJZIK,ECDSF23EW

You get the point. Don't fold sets against 56/14 donks here, you aren't even deep. He made such a monster flop raise it looks like he is protecting a two pair hand or a slowplayed overpair, this is really not the spot to fold a set, simple as that.
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Old 11-15-2006, 12:39 AM     Post subject: Re: Bottom set fold #4 (permalink)  
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Villain's 56/14
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:20 AM #5 (permalink)  
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 yeah, i take what i said back, I never fold this in practice. I'm just curious as to how deep the stacks would have to be before a fold is considered vs a 56/14 who's passive postflop.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:44 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 I'd read the thread where i folded bottom set and everyone ripped me.
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:48 AM #7 (permalink)  
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Seriously man, WTF is wrong with anyone who isn't counting your Sklansky bucks in this spot?

This guy is completing his SB with *any* 2 cards. There is no possible straight. Even if we put him on 2 pair or better we get this:

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Hand 1: 62.4531 % 62.45% 00.00% { 2d2s }
Hand 2: 37.5469 % 37.55% 00.00% { 77, 55, 75s, 72s, 52s, 75o, 72o, 52o }

Now throw in him getting tricky with AA/KK, pushing an OSD or thinking A7 is the nuts and all sorts of other absurd stuff. If you don't gamble here, you're done playing for the day.

If he shows you a bigger set, oh well GIVE ME A DEUCE!!!!
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Old 11-15-2006, 01:49 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 its a better fold than isf's, but its still a horrendous fold nonetheless.
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Old 11-15-2006, 02:01 AM #9 (permalink)  
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Old 11-15-2006, 02:23 AM #10 (permalink)  
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 yeah ISF the action leading to your spot is totally different, I instacall in that hand.

There would definitely be thought involved here if the SB didnt play so many hands.
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