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aislephive
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12-18-2006, 11:41 PM
Post subject: Bluff vs donk, good/bad?
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UTG is a pretty big donk, like 60/30 or something but isn't totally terrible postflop. I'm pretty sure he raises any A preflop so I don't think he has the nut flush here, likely a medium to small spade or even nothing at all. My hand actually might be good, but I don't want to call and lose to like the 5s or maybe he is making a retard bet with Kx (I tend to see that a lot vs donks). Thoughts?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
saw flop|saw showdown
SB ($43)
BB ($227.83)
UTG ($338.45)
MP ($290.99)
Hero ($233.80)
Preflop: Hero is Button with A , Q . SB posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $10.07, 2 folds, UTG calls $8.07.
Flop: ($23.14) 6 , K , Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $15.52, UTG calls $15.52.
Turn: ($54.18) 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.
River: ($54.18) 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $24, Hero raises to $98.98
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bode
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while it could be him stabbing at the pot since you checked behind the turn, it could just as easily be a spade. i just call here.
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
while it could be him stabbing at the pot since you checked behind the turn, it could just as easily be a spade. i just call here.
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I'm pretty sure this is raise or fold territory, he made a blocking bet which means he can likely beat second pair on a four flush board, but his hand probably isn't very strong and likely folds to a raise.
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Irisheyes
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Terrible players vary rairly fold here I think.
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alias2211
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don't call. raise or fold.
that is more of a blocking bet than a value bet given his stats. i think this hand is pretty read dependent, though. i hate a call.
just a question on your betsize, cause i don't get it. minraise is better than somewhere between minraise and push.
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by alias2211
just a question on your betsize, cause i don't get it. minraise is better than somewhere between minraise and push.
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I really don't get wtf you're trying to say?
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alias2211
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lol. to clarify, why are u raising him any value other than minraise or push? any bet size inbetween seems like it is trying to accomplish something other than to get him to fold, which is what you're trying to do, right?
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Just fold. You're beat and players like this hate folding hands that they think are worth betting.
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aislephive
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Originally Posted by alias2211
lol. to clarify, why are u raising him any value other than minraise or push? any bet size inbetween seems like it is trying to accomplish something other than to get him to fold, which is what you're trying to do, right?
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I know what you're trying to say, but I'm not the kind of player who would minraise/push with the nut flush/boat and make a standard raise with a bluff. I would play a backdoored nut flush/boat in this exact manner. I made a pretty big raise here, 4x and basically a pot sized raise. A push is pretty bad with any hand here I think, and I think a minraise gets looked up far too often, so I like my raise size best.
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r8ed
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This looks like a blocking bet, but I'm not sure if he's disciplined enough to lay it down if he's a donk and holding better than one pair. I would think it's push or fold. alias2211 is right that your bet size is tempting to call if he has a flush. If your goal is to get him to fold, you have to make him think about it hard.
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easy fold.
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