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07-13-2007, 03:19 AM
Post subject: a bluff and a nitty fold
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no history against this villain before this hand. HUD stats had him 42/10/0.7, which makes him a calling station. i had a discussion with spenda and GMML on vent, and they thought this was spew cuz villain is a station...not sure, i think this should work against even calling stations.
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Originally Posted by hand 1
GAME ####: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-07-13 01:53:50
Seat 1: wii23and ($100.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: Suddelito ($209.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Hyper ($107.50 in chips)
Seat 6: psycholomaniac ($107.00 in chips)
Seat 8: MestArthur ($194.50 in chips)
Seat 10: sinana23 ($191.22 in chips)
Suddelito: Post SB $0.50
Hyper: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hyper [   ]
psycholomaniac: Fold
MestArthur: Fold
sinana23: Call $1.00
wii23and: Fold
Suddelito: Fold
Hyper: Raise $3.25
sinana23: Raise $13.00
Hyper: Call $9.75
*** FLOP *** [    ]
Hyper: Check
sinana23: Bet $14.55
Hyper: Call $14.55
*** TURN *** [  ]
Hyper: Bet $22.00
sinana23: Call $22.00
*** RIVER *** [  ]
Hyper: Allin $56.95 |
villain has TAG stats, no history.
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Originally Posted by hand 2
GAME ####: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-07-13 02:44:27
Seat 1: psycholomaniac ($150.53 in chips)
Seat 3: LePoissonNeuf ($112.30 in chips)
Seat 5: Hyper ($210.84 in chips) DEALER
Seat 6: ThePharmacist ($105.40 in chips)
Seat 10: lushfn ($120.70 in chips)
ThePharmacist: Post SB $0.50
lushfn: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hyper [   ]
psycholomaniac: Fold
LePoissonNeuf: Raise $5.00
Hyper: Raise $15.00
ThePharmacist: Fold
lushfn: Fold
LePoissonNeuf: Call $10.00
*** FLOP *** [    ]
LePoissonNeuf: Check
Hyper: Check
*** TURN *** [ ]
LePoissonNeuf: Bet $20.00
Hyper: Fold |
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First hand - don't know what to make from this. The limp/raise from the CO is very odd. This hand looks like suicide to me
Second hand - I think you have to take a stab at it on the flop and proceed from there. He could have a pair from 66-TT and took a shot at it on the turn cause you showed weakness
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snowbird4life
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1-Raise more initially pre, why just 3.25 with a limper? Is it because u knew that station would call anyway or? Also, i don't know what to make of these limp/raises. In my experience at this level a couple times it has been tilted donks, but usually it is someone who just saw their first episode of high stakes poker and they think they are going to pull some sick plays with their AA.
Especially with 42/10/0.7 stats, i proceed with caution. Another thing, had he not limp/raised would you still be pushing someone with 10 pfr and a .7 aggression factor on the river after he was so aggressive every other street? Also, i don't know if its the converter or what but the turn is blank for me... so maybe im reading this whole thing wrong.
2- I think you have to cbet that, as you are giving them too much credit to put them on an ace every time here especially when he checks the flop. This line was extremely weak. If i was villain i would likely play it the same with or without an ace. So cbet that flop, and go from there, if you get called i likely give up to a big bet/raise on the turn.
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i was in the blinds, so 3.25 makes it 4.25 total. i've been experimenting today with 3.5+ (limper x .75).
actually, although he's got a low aggression rating, it's because he limps a lot preflop. he's over 2 for F/T/R, but preflop brings him way down.
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minSim
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I fold to limp/reraises usually if the size is of any meaning, as is here. I never know what to make of it, but usually give them credit for aces. Nevertheless I think playing our jacks OOP is too hard there.
Because I give limp/reraisers credit for a huge hand I hate your river play even if QQ would be in his range or AQ, AJ.
Hand 2 I call turn because of betsize but definately fold to a river bet.
PS: Agression factor is only postflop play.
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Originally Posted by minSim
PS: Agression factor is only postflop play.
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i didn't really look at the AF when i was playing, because i thought my line should work on even the loosest calling stations.
lookin at his stats now, he's got
PF 0.27
F 1.55
T 2.5
R 2.0
Total AF = 0.7
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zook
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1. Limp rr from any position usually means a big hand from bad players. I just got limp rr'ed the other night from the button and got it AI with QQ vs AA gg. I probably just fold pre-flop given only 10:1 implied.
2. I usually c-bet if villain's decent b/c checking a drawy board makes it's obvious you don't have an ace and a good villain will take advantage. Plus worse hands call here b/c of the flush draw. As played, I call the turn and prob fold to a river bet > 1/2 pot.
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Originally Posted by zook
1. Limp rr from any position usually means a big hand from bad players. I just got limp rr'ed the other night from the button and got it AI with QQ vs AA gg. I probably just fold pre-flop given only 10:1 implied.
2. I usually c-bet if villain's decent b/c checking a drawy board makes it's obvious you don't have an ace and a good villain will take advantage. Plus worse hands call here b/c of the flush draw. As played, I call the turn and prob fold to a river bet > 1/2 pot.
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1) i actually didn't notice the LRR preflop at the time. if i did, my line probably would have been check/folding the turn. anyways, villain flipped over KQo. which makes me wonder why the hell he would LRR that preflop, and why the hell he would call the turn and river.
2) i took into consideration the river followup bet when i decided to fold. even at 1/2 pot it seems like we're behind the ace. but then again, villain's not betting without an ace. bah.
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zenbitz
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First hand with results is funny... because we all (me too) thought this was spew because his hand should be much better than KQ (with LRR)... turns out he did have a foldable hand, but it was spew because he can't fold TPGK!
Hand 2 I think is not terrible, but
1) In position
2) re-raised PF
3) f/d board
means you should probably throw out a bet on the flop, even though you have show down value. Turn is difficult without a read other than "TAG" stats.
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mixchange
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Hand 1 is ok until the river. You are beat here. I think you should even be suspicious of being beat on the turn as any suited ace, or AK or AQ is probably sticking around for the turn.
Hand 2 Might be a little nitty cuz your flop check gave away your hand.I bet the flop cuz he doesn't have to have an ace here, and you have already repped AK decently. Your check gives away your hand and allows him to steal.
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