|
|~|ypermegachi
|
06-28-2007, 03:37 AM
Post subject: blind war with JJ
|
#1 (permalink)
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
villain was shaping up to be a nit, HUD over a small sample also suggests nittiest.
Seat 1: monsterfl0pp ($151.10 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: Hyper ($103.00 in chips)
Seat 6: hierkommtdiemaus ($110.65 in chips)
Seat 8: rEraseMePlz ($280.23 in chips)
Seat 10: nutbrother ($91.30 in chips)
Hyper : Post SB $0.50
hierkommtdiemaus: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hyper [  ]
rEraseMePlz: Fold
nutbrother: Fold
monsterfl0pp: Fold
Hyper : Raise $3.00
hierkommtdiemaus: Call $2.50
*** FLOP *** [   ]
Hyper : Bet $5.75
hierkommtdiemaus: Raise $14.00
Hyper : Raise $28.00
hierkommtdiemaus: Call $19.75
*** TURN *** [ ]
Hyper : Allin $65.75
|
|
|
Play for FREE and practice your game at...
Join the FTR Poker Forum to disable these banners and start posting!
|
|
bigspenda73
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
|
|
flop 3bet? I don't like it or it's size, certainly would like to hear opinions on that.
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
flop 3bet? I don't like it or it's size, certainly would like to hear opinions on that.
|
btw, the site i'm at is raise "by a amount" not "total".
so it would be the same as $32 at other sites.
|
|
|
|
bigspenda73
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
|
|
wait, it would be $42 then wouldn't it. You raised him 28 more ontop of 14?
Wait, it says he called $19.75. I don't get it.
|
|
|
|
Ash256
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,760
|
|
I don't like the flop 3bet either; I've got this guy at 12/6 over 50 hands, and from what I remember he was pretty passive. The turn card is goot, albeit I don't think he's really gonna fold after flop action..
Possibly call flop; b/f turn?
Btw, what did you think of rEraseMePlz? I remember him giving me a lot of hassle and being a bitch to play against, but maybe he was just picking up lots of hands.
|
|
|
|
sauce123
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dizzy
Posts: 2,405
|
|
flop 3bet seems kinda bad against most players
|
|
I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
|
|
mixchange
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,665
|
|
Against a nit, how can we possibly be ahead and why push turn? I don't think that changed the hand.
|
|
|
|
minSim
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Deventer
Posts: 1,512
|
|
I expect his range to be something like A10, 910, QJ, 67, 33, 99, 1010.
Do you have any reads on his blinds defence?
His flop raise looks strong, against tigh opponents I can fold this because we're OOP and we're about always have a tough turn.
Calling flop raise is ok I guess, but I still wouldn't know what to do on the turn?
c/c reasonable size? c/f? lead for half pot?
|
|
|
|
mixchange
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Francisco, CA
Posts: 1,665
|
|
hmmmm actually we could be ahead I dunno but im not sure. I guess a push is not that bad since we only have a PSB left really. Kind of a sick spot, this is why I hate jacks 
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by bigspenda73
wait, it would be $42 then wouldn't it. You raised him 28 more ontop of 14?
Wait, it says he called $19.75. I don't get it.
|
$28 on top of my original bet.
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Ash256
Btw, what did you think of rEraseMePlz? I remember him giving me a lot of hassle and being a bitch to play against, but maybe he was just picking up lots of hands.
|
well, the say the least it's annoying to have a 30/25 on your left. i didn't really get into big hands with him.
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by mixchange
Against a nit, how can we possibly be ahead and why push turn? I don't think that changed the hand.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by minSim
I expect his range to be something like A10, 910, QJ, 67, 33, 99, 1010.
|
we're pwning this range pretty hard after the turn.
|
|
|
|
minSim
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Deventer
Posts: 1,512
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by mixchange
Against a nit, how can we possibly be ahead and why push turn? I don't think that changed the hand.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by minSim
I expect his range to be something like A10, 910, QJ, 67, 33, 99, 1010.
|
we're pwning this range pretty hard after the turn. |
That 67 should be 78, sorry.
I'm not a pokerstove guy, but I don't expect to be ahead against range?
Why are pushing, do you expect to get called by anything you beat?
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
against 99+,33,QJs,T9s,87s,QJo,T9o,87o
we are 40% on the turn.
against 99+,33,QJs,T9s,QJo,T9o (missing 87)
we are 23% on the turn.
i don't mean we have more equity than the guy, after the flop he pretty much only has a set or strong draw, maybe overpair. the turn gives up 8 more solid outs and increases our equity by a fair amount. so might as well push it and maybe get QQ+ to fold.
looking at it now, pushing is probably spew...
i guess what's more interesting for this hand is the flop....certainly we shouldn't give up so easily after the raise.
is calling and C/F the turn optimal?
|
|
|
|
noble007
|
|
Flush
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: London
Posts: 531
|
|
Ilikeaces -
"Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces."
I don't always subscribe to this but against a nit its pretty +ev advice,
just because they don't really raise there draws and there's not alot of draws for him to raise. We're really only ahead of A10 (vs a nit)
Turn - no hand you 3bet on flop makes a straight on turn, only QQQ could scare him (unless he has it) but he probably wont fold alot. (ie. a set, maybe KK or AA but he probably 3 bets these pre.)
|
|
|
|
Fnord
|
|
Moderator
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: I'll Do You Like A Truck
Posts: 19,339
|
|
If he's aggressive and won't back up his stack with a lot of hands, I like this.
If he's tight, passive and willing to showdown goodish hands this is spew.
|
|
|
|
IowaSkinsFan
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
|
|
This seems like a fold on the flop raise IMO.
|
|
|
|
bigspenda73
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Pwnsylvania
Posts: 7,546
|
|
I don't think we can give up that easily in a blind battle with an overpair.
Do you think villain wouldn't be raising this flop with less than 2pr?
|
|
|
|
hierkommtdiemaus
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4
|
|
hi
i couldnt find the hand somehow, so i am not sure what i had. but i think after i only called ur 3 bet, i have you beat with at least buttom set. so i think pushing the turn is not a good play. i wont fold a set in this spot on ipoker and i am pretty sure that if i would have slowplayed AA or KK, i wouldnt fold either.
instead of 3betting the flop and pushing the turn, in ur spot i would have called my raise on the flop and b/f the turn.
could you now reveal what i had 
|
|
|
|
|~|ypermegachi
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: emo-kid
Posts: 3,580
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by hierkommtdiemaus
could you now reveal what i had |
you snap-called with a set of tens. river did not improve me.
|
|
|
|
Galapogos
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: The Loser's Lounge
Posts: 2,323
|
|
I fold flop.
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
|
|
|
IowaSkinsFan
|
|
Straight Flush
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 7,148
|
|
Note to low stakes players: When posting a hand and saying he's a nit.... make sure for a guy who is 12/6, and I suspect doesn't raise AT in this spot, as a super nit.
|
|
|
|
hierkommtdiemaus
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4
|
|
i am obv. not a 12/6 ... who ever said that has probably less than 100 hands,
TT is a hand i usually raise vs. the SB, still there is a big chance that JJ is good against me in that spot ^^
|
|
|
|
Ash256
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: UK
Posts: 1,760
|
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by hierkommtdiemaus
i am obv. not a 12/6 ... who ever said that has probably less than 100 hands,
|
Yeah, that was me (I'm R3sistance in case you've seen me around), I have 120 or so.
Is it me or is iPoker filling up with boring 2+2 TAGs?
If it wasn't for awesome rakeback I'd leave now.. I'm sure the games were 3x softer a few months ago..
|
|
|
|
hierkommtdiemaus
|
|
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 4
|
|
yes they were, i play on ipoker for some years now and in the past month, things have changed a lot. i dont know about the ultralow limits, neither about the higher ones.
but it is much tougher nowadays in NL50 - NL400, still you can beat those limits i think.
things might change when noiq stops running the rake race.
its probably best to just change the site
|
|
|
|
JeffreyGB
|
|
4-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Jenks, OK
Posts: 3,477
|
|
Just to echo it: the flop 3bet was too small to do anything. Raising to $33 when he already has $14 in is almost a minraise. If you're 3betting here, tack another $10 on.
|
|
|
English
Deutsch
Español
Français
Italiano
Nederlands
Pусский
Svenska
06-02-2012, 08:10 PM Merge Network 6.0 Looks to Retain Current Player Base
Linear Mode
