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| eragotte |
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Hand converter isn't working so I apologize for the uglyness but I wanted to post this. Lots of history vs villain, he seems to always check the flop with his nutty hands. Example of a hand I played vs him recently, i open mp with AA, button calls, he calls from sb. flop 774 i cbet, button folds, he calls, turn is a 3 i check, river is a 10 he bets out pot i call he has 44. Ive seen him slowplay like this a lot. Also seen him sb open aj and fire two small barrels with nothing then c/f river. he has also flatted my 4bet with tt then stacked off on a 9 high flop vs my AJ (a while ago so he may not remember) i check flop because jj/tt folds and most other stuff has me beat other than AK or maybe AQ so he insta bets pot out on the turn (seeming like f u for not letting me c/r) and insta fires river as well... can i put AQ in his range to make this a call? GAME #2108185084: Texas Hold'em PL $0.25/$0.50 2010-02-07 19:45:24 Table Cascade Seat 1: mbkuk21 ($82.14 in chips) Seat 3: Arpo27 ($66.46 in chips) Seat 5: randes ($8.57 in chips) Seat 6: headfelt ($126.42 in chips) Seat 8: analintruder50 ($60.24 in chips) Seat 10: Mackers101 ($51.33 in chips) DEALER mbkuk21: Post SB $0.25 Arpo27: Post BB $0.50 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to headfelt [DA DK] randes: Call $0.50 headfelt: Raise (NF) $2.25 analintruder50: Fold Mackers101: Fold mbkuk21: Raise (NF) $7.75 Arpo27: Fold randes: Fold headfelt: Call $5.50 *** FLOP *** [HK S6 CQ] mbkuk21: Check headfelt: Check *** TURN *** [CA] mbkuk21: Bet $16.50 headfelt: Call $16.50 *** RIVER *** [H7] mbkuk21: Bet $49.50 |
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| meeloche |
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| I don't know how he plays preflop but you should consider 4 b/c if the dynamic is right. As played I'd call he's never gonna expect you to have AK imo. Your hand looks a lot like Qx or 1010 JJ. He's always value shoving AQ as well | |||
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| griffey24 |
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As for the hand in question, yah if I played AK like this I'm def always calling river. He has 1 combo of each KK/AA, 3 QQ, and quite a few AQ that might play like this, and some AK chops too. |
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| Renton |
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As for this hand yeah 4bet pre, I don't mind post as long as you called. |
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| pocketfours |
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| These hands are beginners circle material eragotte. | |||
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| bode |
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| wtf at trying to justify a fold here. | |||
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| griffey24 |
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I think a lot of people are definitely flatting most pairs here, JJ squeezing is close based on UTG opener, and QQ+ will prob sq. I'm going for 3 streets vs hands like 66-JJ all day here. |
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| shakesss |
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| def 4b'ing this spot given the history. I would def call river bet as played. | |||
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| Alexos |
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Text results appended to pokerstove.txt 18,810 games 0.047 secs 400,212 games/sec Board: Kh 6s Qc Dead: equity win tie pots won pots tied Hand 0: 41.297% 25.37% 15.93% 4772 2996.00 { KK-QQ, AQs+, AQo+ } Hand 1: 58.703% 42.78% 15.93% 8046 2996.00 { AdKd } |
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| tstrout |
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| You definitely could have 4 bet preflop potentially getting it all in to negate being OOP for the rest of the hand, but I don't mind the smooth call. The fact that you called the big preflop reraise tells your opponent that you have a strong hand, so check-raising wasn't the play on that flop. Leading into him strong is the play. By leading into him, he will reraise you with AA, KK, or QQ which is what you want him to do: play straightforwardly. If he 3-bet you preflop with something like JJ, he'll fold. A strong flop bet OOP on that flop indicates a willingness to go to the felt with your hand, and that should result in a direct play from your opponent: raise or fold. Even a set of queens will still raise you instead of slowplay because you showed such strength. | |||
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| nutsinho |
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| looks like a fold to me, and not super close | |||
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| bode |
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seriously though, alexo's range seems pretty spot on and we're getting 2:1 on a call. really a fold? |
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| nutsinho |
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| id prob take out aq and add aa | |||
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| eragotte |
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ya i dont feel like AQ is in his range hence fold is good... if AQ is in his range it is a call no matter what else he can have... Quote:
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| eragotte |
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| eragotte |
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think in his shoes, he is betting 100bb into a 100bb pot where he has to think there is a good chance i will call. He saw the AA hand too and knows Im not about to stack off with top pair vs his slowplaying ass. If hes betting this on the river (never evereverveveevrvevrvevrvereverr as a bluff) wtf is he expecting me to call with that he beats when he has AQ? Basically: He cannot expect me to call with less than AQ here from what he has seen of me. He is never bluffing... I should fold. |
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| eragotte |
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I did call btw, if I was good enough to fold there I wouldn't be playing 50NL. Anyways if anyone wants to chat about the AA hand mentioned earlier here is the hand history. My reason for checking the turn is I value own myself vs 7x and 44, I only get two streets out of maybe JJ and 1010-88 anyways so might as well pot control and make the second street the river, worse folds and 65 is his only real connecting hand that continues the flop. Random 43s and shit all fold to the turn if I barrell. On the river if he checks I bet, with him betting I think I can profitably call since my hand does not look nearly as good as AA. GAME #2108536652: Texas Hold'em PL $0.50/$1 2010-02-07 22:42:23 Table Logan City Seat 1: 0reptile0 ($185.21 in chips) Seat 3: Sholukh ($87.35 in chips) DEALER Seat 5: mbkuk21 ($112.90 in chips) Seat 6: Dodenow ($162.07 in chips) Seat 8: NaktissBLR ($157.53 in chips) Seat 10: headfelt ($147.90 in chips) mbkuk21: Post SB $0.50 Dodenow: Post BB $1.00 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to headfelt [CA DA] NaktissBLR: Fold headfelt: Raise (NF) $3.50 0reptile0: Call $3.50 Sholukh: Fold mbkuk21: Call $3.00 Dodenow: Call $2.50 *** FLOP *** [S7 H7 D4] mbkuk21: Check Dodenow: Check headfelt: Bet $9.00 0reptile0: Fold mbkuk21: Call $9.00 Dodenow: Fold *** TURN *** [D3] mbkuk21: Check headfelt: Check *** RIVER *** [S2] mbkuk21: Bet $20.00 headfelt: Call $20.00 *** SUMMARY *** Total pot $69.00 Rake $3.00 mbkuk21: Shows [S4 C4] mbkuk21: wins $69.00 |
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| IowaSkinsFan |
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Yeah I absolutely agree that its a fold. Every part of this hand seems like it was played well. |
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| Numbr2intheWorld |
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| i do agree that there are factors here that make this less likely to be AQ. I just think that at 50nl we just cant assign anyone to super thin ranges especially someone who plays like a donk. | |||
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| shakesss |
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| I think analyzing this hand without any stats on this guy is much harder. His 3b percentage? flop check raise as pfr? wtsd? These numbers would really make it much easier to come to a decision. If we are beat in this spot can we not chalk it up as a cooler? its a 3bet pot and we have top two and we have underrepped our hand strength. | |||
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| pocketfours |
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Good stuff ITT. A fold looks like a really sweet play. |
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| shakesss |
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The tough part on putting this guy on a range is that we have no info about his 3betting stats. That would make the picture a lot clearer. If he is a nitty 3bettor than folding could be an option. If he is wider with his 3betting range its a call. In a vacuum with no reads i might just go and pay this off. The reason being that since we have underrepped our hand, he might think we are weak, and might try to get us off our hand. |
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| eragotte |
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| baudib |
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| This seems precisely the way a 50 NL player who "checks nutty hands on the flop" would play QQ in this spot, especially when he puts hero on Ax and hopefully AK after the turn. | |||
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| eragotte |
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| ^ ya he had QQ obv | |||
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