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Old 06-01-2007, 09:49 PM     Post subject: Big draw deep. #1 (permalink)  
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Initial better is 50/10/3 and he hates me. He's also the luckiest fucker alive, but thats neither here nor there. Other guy is 30/3. If I'm not ahead, I'm certainly not far behind. I figure pushing over the top and forcing out the idiot or forcing him to make a dumb call is balla.

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $42.50
UTG+1: $43
CO: $48.25
Hero: $105.60
SB: $145.30
BB: $106.10

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with Q J
2 folds, CO raises to $2.5, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: J 5 T ($10, 4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $7, CO raises to $14, Hero raises all-in $103.1, SB folds, BB raises all-in $103.6, CO calls all-in $31.75.
Uncalled bets: $0.5 returned to BB.
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Old 06-01-2007, 10:07 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I'm not folding here. I would've made a standard reraise here and if we got it in, we got it in. Now, since you got called, I'm assuming villain has

1) overpair
2) set of TT or 55's (JJ unlikely since you have one)
3) Ax of spades

You're a favorite against 1 and 3 and have about a 25% chance. Not too bad .
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Old 06-01-2007, 10:17 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I'm not folding here. I would've made a standard reraise here and if we got it in, we got it in. Now, since you got called, I'm assuming villain has

1) overpair
2) set of TT or 55's (JJ unlikely since you have one)
3) Ax of spades

You're a favorite against 1 and 3 and have about a 25% chance. Not too bad .
How do we not get it in?

Worst case scenario is that the bigger stack has a set. You're actually hoping for the BB to have Asxs as otherwise we should be a dog to his hand.
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Old 06-02-2007, 03:32 PM #4 (permalink)  
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Hmm I'd guess BB has overpair and CO got set, or maybe a draw as well, so it's a close one but I'd probably get all the money in..
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 nh i would play the same and be happy to have all my money in the middle



 
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Old 06-02-2007, 09:15 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 it's fine

if you want to make the play more +ev in a bubble then just calling and shoving when you hit is better
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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it's fine

if you want to make the play more +ev in a bubble then just calling and shoving when you hit is better
Isnt this insanely obvious?
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it's fine

if you want to make the play more +ev in a bubble then just calling and shoving when you hit is better
Isnt this insanely obvious?
ummm

yes...

edit : no drama-bomb or anything, but what exactly did you hope for/expect when you posted this hand?
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 06-02-2007, 11:37 PM #9 (permalink)  
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I expected it to be spew. I thought it was bad. OMG COMBO DRAW IM ALL IN.

Reassurance that I didnt spew retardedly for once is kinda nice though.
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I expected it to be spew. I thought it was bad. OMG COMBO DRAW IM ALL IN.

Reassurance that I didnt spew retardedly for once is kinda nice though.
it s cool

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Old 06-03-2007, 04:36 AM #11 (permalink)  
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OMG COMBO DRAW IM ALL IN.
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Old 06-03-2007, 04:47 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 I really think the stack sizes play a large roll in your decision here.

If you are all 100bb stacks I think this is a fold.
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bb and i are deep
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Old 06-03-2007, 06:47 PM #14 (permalink)  
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 Ok, first of all I thought this was 100nl.

If everyone had near the same depth of stacks I think you can fold this as Asxs isn't folding and neither is a set therefore you're getting your money in way behind the range of your 2 opponents. However, you can be concerned with just being ahead of the 200bb players' hand or at least having good equity against him. However, we have no idea how strong either of them are until we see the rest of the flop action. CO could have an overpair and BB could have AsXs. This is your worst case scenario:

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

903 games 0.016 secs 56,437 games/sec

Board: Jc 5s Ts
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 04.873% 04.87% 00.00% 44 0.00 {QsJs }
Hand 1: 32.115% 32.12% 00.00% 290 0.00 {AsKs }
Hand 2: 63.012% 63.01% 00.00% 569 0.00 {TdTh }
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