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Kagey
Old 09-25-2007, 07:06 AM     Post subject: big donks #1 (permalink)  
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This is the third hand at the table so no reads. I have never seen anyone donk bet this large before, so it caught me a bit off guard. Should I be pushing the turn here? Anyone find a fold against an unknown? I've been on a big upswing the last week, and it's usually at this point I start doing stupid, and unnecessarily complicated things, leading to the inevitable downswing. Trying to stop this one before it starts.

GAME #663760951: Texas Hold'em NL $0.25/$0.50 2007-09-22 12:47:57
Table Kloof
Seat 1: BB ($64.90 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG ($59.85 in chips)
Seat 5: MP ($70.60 in chips)
Seat 6: Villain ($46.65 in chips)
Seat 8: kagey22 ($50.15 in chips) DEALER
Seat 10: SB ($52.70 in chips)
SB: Post SB $0.25
BB: Post BB $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kagey22 [Kc Kd]
UTG: Fold
MP: Fold
Villain: Call $0.50
kagey22: Raise $2.50
SB: Fold
BB: Fold
Villain: Call $2.00
*** FLOP *** [Qd 8h 3c]
Villain: Bet $7.00
kagey22: Call $7.00
*** TURN *** [10h]
Villain: Bet $10.00
kagey22: Call $10.00
*** RIVER *** [4h]
Villain: Bet $20.00
kagey22: Allin $30.65
Villain: Allin $7.15
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Old 09-25-2007, 07:21 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 You could have some players that overbet sets on the flop to put all his money on the board by the river. But most of the time, I think villain is trying to push you off the hand on the flop (with somthing like QJ). I raise to $20 on the flop and call a push against an unknown.
You should not play your KK so passively up to river, you should raise at some point.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:05 AM #3 (permalink)  
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Raise the flop.
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Old 09-25-2007, 11:34 AM #4 (permalink)  
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If I raise the flop aren't I just folding out hands I beat. If his range for donk betting is 88, 33 ,a weakish Q, other PP or complete air. I thought in this case it might be worth letting him continue to bet the hand for me. On the turn his bet sizing looks a little weak, but I was unsure whether he'd fire again with hands like QJ. The heart on the river also gives him the opportunity to bluff at it again. The only hands I'm worried about really are 33,88 and Q10.
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Old 09-25-2007, 12:57 PM #5 (permalink)  
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He had a set, right (or AA)? If not, it's buddy list time!!
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Old 09-25-2007, 03:59 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Quote:
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If I raise the flop aren't I just folding out hands I beat. If his range for donk betting is 88, 33 ,a weakish Q, other PP or complete air. I thought in this case it might be worth letting him continue to bet the hand for me. On the turn his bet sizing looks a little weak, but I was unsure whether he'd fire again with hands like QJ. The heart on the river also gives him the opportunity to bluff at it again. The only hands I'm worried about really are 33,88 and Q10.
On the flop you're only worried about AA, 88 and 33.
I think the question is would AQ/KQ/QJ or JJ-TT fold to a $20 raise on flop?
Here reads/stats are important.
Most $0.50 opps that I've found would not fold AQ/KQ/QJ with $20 raise. And some loose would still call with JJ (and might even push them ).

When the turn hits, hands like J9/TT also become a problem. Now we are worrying about AA, TT, 88, 33, J9 and QT and we cannot give a freecard to FD like AQh, KQh, KJh, Qxh. If I'm going all-in on the river, I would push turn. Here, I might just call turn hoping for a cheap showdown.

As played, I think I fold river. villain is showing a lot of strengh.
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Kagey
Old 09-25-2007, 04:43 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Villain showed Kc 9d still didn't like my line.
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