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Silly String
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05-22-2006, 09:15 PM
Post subject: Bidding War
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Full House
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Villian is mostly poor and will raise with questionable hands. Previously I saw him pre-flop reraise with J7s. I only have about 20 hands with this guy but I trust my read. About 50% VP$P.
I love this move. It works well with donkeriffic players. It seems by starting a bidding war, you can get them committed to a hand easier.
I flopped trips and was only trying to think of a way to get more money out of this idiot. If I follow my usual path of 3/4 to full pot bets and at least pot sized, I think he finds a fold somewhere. What do you all think.
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (3 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Button ($24.90)
Hero ($30.71)
BB ($30.59)
Preflop: Hero is SB with Q , J. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($0.50) 4 , J, J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.25, Hero raises to $0.5, BB calls $0.25.
Turn: ($1.50) A (2 players) Hero bet $0.75, BB raises to $1.50, Hero re-raises to $3.38, BB re-raises to $9.29, Hero is ALL-IN for last $25.83, BB calls ALL-IN($25.83).
River: ($1.50) 9 (2 players)
Final Pot: $60.18
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midas06
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He did 4 bet you on the turn... Did you ever think about slowing down?
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Silly String
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No. That is the point of the post. I min-raised and drug this out to get the opponent pot committed. I had the read that he was a mostly poor player and would raise and take inferior hands too far. If he had AJ, 44, AA, or J4 I was willing to give him my money.
Ordinarily I would never get to a 4 bet. Mine is going all in well before that, unless I feel I have to drag it out to get him committed.
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bdawg56kg
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No offense, but this is really bad. First of all, lead the flop. If he is bad enough to stack off on this board with less than trips, q-kicker, then he will stack off if you just keep betting into him. Are you implying that your line looks so much like a bluff that villian will try to re-bluff you?
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dsaxton
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This line only works against complete idiots, and even then, a more straightforward line works better. I probably raise preflop, but having limped, I lead out almost always.
Your hand is completely transparent here from the very beginning.
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Silly String
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I disagree. I don't think the idiot gets married to his hand quite as much until he feels like it is a pissing contest. I have a TAG maybe even Rocky reputation at this table due to being card dead. I don't think he plays back at me if I pot it on the flop. He likely folds and we go on to the next hand. I am not suggesting to take this line against many opponents. Only truely poor opponents. You know the ones, I am talking about. The opponents that you are just hoping to get a hand against while they are at the table because you know the are going to stack off and leave in 15 minutes. Thinking outside the box helped get me paid off on this hand, when I don't feel the standard line would have.
Bdawg, pretty much. I am just creating a pissing contest with a loose agg poor opponent. Probably qualifies as a Maniac, except his bets/raises were never very big.
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dsaxton
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Why do you think he believes you're capable of getting in a "pissing contest" without a J here?
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Silly String
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Because he doesn't think too well. At least he has the opportunity to stack off this way. I don't think he does if I play a standard line here.
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bdawg56kg
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Originally Posted by Silly String
Because he doesn't think too well. At least he has the opportunity to stack off this way. I don't think he does if I play a standard line here.
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Eh, fair enough. If you really think he's the type of macho player that will fall for this then I think its good. What'd he end up having?
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Silly String
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I see you guys don't agree, which is fine. I just thought this play against a pretty poor Laggy opponent my have some validity.
For the record, he checked his option with A7o & married the Ace on the turn. Maybe I'm being too results oriented & he would have destacked just the same with a standard line. That is why I have you guys to look me up. Thanks for the input.
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Rondavu
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You made a good player specific read, and played to it. NH
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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jackvance
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I must say I've never used this move, much less thought about using it.. I guess it's one of those "play at their level" moves that can work on a specific sort of opponent?
It looks kinda donkish, but I never judge read-based moves unless they're "obviously" stupid ofcourse. Read play>standard play. You want to get him all-in here.. if a bidding war gets the job done whereas a conventional play wouldn't, great play then 
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