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JL
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02-28-2010, 12:45 AM
Post subject: Bet sizing question
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Villain is running 22/19/3 with 3bet of 6% and a raise cbet of 14% over 500 hands.
We have a Tagg or slightly nitty image.
$100NL
100bb stacks
Hero is dealt A 5
4 folds, Hero (SB) raises to $4, BB calls
Flop: 2 4 K ($8)
Hero bets $6, BB raises $20, Hero raises to what?
Is your raise size here consistent across your whole range?
For example, do we change our sizing here if we have a set, AA, AK, or a bluff like AdJd?
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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clicking it back seems to induce more calls/raises than other 3bet sizing
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JL
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So are you CiB here as a bluff ever?
How does position influence our decision here?
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Ravageur
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I'd make it about 43ish with most of my 3-betting range. I think with my more vulnerable hands i'd make it a tiny bit bigger but ppl aren't going to pick up on that generally. I'd definitely make it this size with my bluffs, because any bigger seems to be a big mistake.
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Vi-Zer0Skill
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JL
So are you CiB here as a bluff ever?
How does position influence our decision here?
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i like the CiB 3bet best with my drawing hands, as long as the stack sizes allow me a PSB to shove the turn. because i expect to get more action from the CiB i personally don't find it a good bluff move. i think it's true regardless of position.
with my nut hands i usually 3bet bigger if the board is drawy. as i play 50nl, i don't find it to be important to do this sort of balancing with my betsizing.
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Genitruc
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calling and calling down any non board-paring cards turn and river cards seems good to me, slightly better than clicking it back
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Genitruc
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and btw i d do that with my entire range for continuing unless there was relevant history between us
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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Alexos
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I like a v.small raise.
I'd raise bigger with made hands but who cares right.
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Irisheyes
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Yeah I make it really small so that if he has an air component in his raising range it looks to him like he has FE.
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tstrout
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I would just call here, not re-raise unless you are willing to call all-in with nothing but a draw. You have 12 outs; can't count the 3 aces because you might already be up against a set. If you just call, you might be able to avoid getting stacked when you miss. If your opponent truly has a set, he will pay off your flush anyway even when the flush card hits. You probably have 0 fold equity here and have to hit, and you are less than 50-50 to do so.
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JL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tstrout
I would just call here, not re-raise unless you are willing to call all-in with nothing but a draw. You have 12 outs; can't count the 3 aces because you might already be up against a set. If you just call, you might be able to avoid getting stacked when you miss. If your opponent truly has a set, he will pay off your flush anyway even when the flush card hits. You probably have 0 fold equity here and have to hit, and you are less than 50-50 to do so.
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Well of course I am going to get all-in if I raise.
How would I have 0 FE here? So you are saying that no one ever bluff raises this flop? lol
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Genitruc
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this spot is a lot tricker if villain is capable of doing this w KQ here
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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