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JL
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05-30-2007, 03:39 AM
Post subject: Bet this flop always, never, sometimes?
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Full House
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I can't decide whether or not to bet this flop.
I can see good arguments for for both betting and checking.
Both villains are terrible...the SB being the worst at 77/0/.5
SB: calls any bet with any pair, A high, any draw (including runner runner types)
CO: 55/11 type, but does not stack off easily, and folds to my cbets way too often.
Stack sizes:
UTG: $111.50
CO: $206.65
Hero: $149.20
SB: $59.05
BB: $250.05
Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is Button with T  K 
UTG folds, CO calls, Hero raises to $5, SB calls, BB folds, CO calls.
Flop: 7 T 6  ($16, 3 players)
SB checks, CO checks, Hero???
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i typically fold this preflop. as played, bet the flop...$10
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Satyr
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Always
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
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Always bet. This is actually one of the best scenarios if you are going to play KTo, which I would not, but you are successful with wider hand ranges on the button.
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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Depending on how I'm playing I'd sometimes check always, sometimes bet always and sometimes bet abou 75% of the time
If you're always gonna apply 1 "Frequency" I'd bet this about 9/10 times
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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Whats the reason for not betting this?
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Just playing to improve.
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ilikeaces86
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bet
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JL
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Full House
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
Whats the reason for not betting this?
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Because you don't want the pot to get too bloated with such a vulnerable hand.
Because these guys are calling my flop bets with such a wide range, I do not want the pot to get too large when basically every card in the deck is a scare card (other than non-heart 2s, 3s, Ts, and Ks)
The more I think about it, the more I think always betting is best for these exact reasons, lol. If they are calling with ATC on the flop, then I should be betting everytime.
I just thought at the time I could make a good case for checking this flop...guess not.
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gabe
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bet
preflp is VRY standard
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Jupit3r
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Straight
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I'm not sure if I like the pf raise. If the limper folds to c-bets 60 - 70% of the time and the blinds are tight and solid it's +EV in my book but if the blinds are that loose and they like to float with any kind of crap I muck this PF.
As played I always bet this flop.
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"I'm conservative, but I'm not a nut about it.", George H. W. Bush
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gabe
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muck KT in a 5 handed game on the button without a raise??? NOOOOO
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Renton
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Straight Flush
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check this flop some
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
i typically fold this preflop.
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I already bumped that thread once today...
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Genitruc
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Straight Flush
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checking the flop is part of a hyperlagg strategy I used to use.
If opponents are bad and passive then I'd be betting it regardless of which "gear" I was in
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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Straight Flush
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I agree with the posts so far for sure. Bet this flop, hope to take it down or only get one caller, and then check it through the turn if I'm that worried about creating a bloated plot.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Da GOAT
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Originally Posted by gabe
muck KT in a 5 handed game on the button without a raise??? NOOOOO
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who said to fold it?? in a FR game id raise too in LP
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Jman: every time the action is to you, it's an opportunity for you to make the perfect play.
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Pelion
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LOL @ anyone saying to fold KT on the button in a limped pot. I cant understand why we wouldnt bet a good but vulnerable flop either. If they are floating "most flops" then let them float while we are almost always ahead. If they are hardly ever floating flops then let them fold the hands that have outs against us.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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bbqsquirrel
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Flush
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Bet flop hard (e.g. $12), bet another 3/4 pot on a non scary turn hard, and hope to check behind on river. It makes no sense to play pot control against donks who will call large bets/go broke with TJ/A7 or trailing pair+gutshot hands -- you need to value bet your lesser hands harder.
Just my 2 cents.
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zenbitz
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I bet because lately ALL my flop bets get called with all sorts of nothing. I might check turn behind depending on who calls and turn card.
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Galapogos
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Why did you not want to bet this? SB was terrible and you know he was calling with anything? I'm honestly curious as to what you were afraid of?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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|~|ypermegachi
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are you guys saying we should raise KTo preflop almost all the time in a limped pot? or all the time against these types of villains?
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
are you guys saying we should raise KTo preflop almost all the time in a limped pot? or all the time against these types of villains?
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On the button in a limped pot? KTo is gold compared to most of the shit I raise with from there.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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JL
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Galapogos
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
are you guys saying we should raise KTo preflop almost all the time in a limped pot? or all the time against these types of villains?
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On the button in a limped pot? KTo is gold compared to most of the shit I raise with from there. |
QFT...I've seen u raise 87o twice from there....
...strange how u somehow get to showdown with that hand.
edit: you were BB in this hand Galap., so I knew at leasat one guy would fold. :P
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Galapogos
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Originally Posted by JL
QFT...I've seen u raise 87o twice from there....
...strange how u somehow get to showdown with that hand.
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Whoops, hopefully it was because I was ahead 
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Originally Posted by JL
edit: you were BB in this hand Galap., so I knew at leasat one guy would fold. :P
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Yeah I recognized the table, that's why I was so shocked you weren't sure you should have been value betting top pair against SB, especially in position (well, obviously in position since he was the SB, but you know what I mean).
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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DeusExMachina
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Originally Posted by JL
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
Whats the reason for not betting this?
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Because you don't want the pot to get too bloated with such a vulnerable hand. |
I bet about 2/3 pot. I would c-bet this normally, even more so given the draw heavy board.
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