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06-25-2007, 08:05 PM
Post subject: Best turn play?
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What does this bet on the turn mean? And what's the best bet? He's standard Ongame fool. Not a spewstation but just plain shitty.
Texas Hold'em $1-$1 NL (Real Money), #507,331,538
Table Rockport, 25 Jun 2007 3:51 PM ET
Seat 3: CRAZY_MOVE ($119.20 in chips)
Seat 6: MC Sikaniska ($152.30 in chips)
Seat 8: teemu__ ($107.45 in chips)
Seat 10: Galapogos [ J ,A ] ($131.60 in chips)
Antes/Blinds
CRAZY_MOVE posts blind ($0.50), MC Sikaniska posts blind ($1).
Pre-Flop
teemu__ calls $1, Galapogos bets $5, CRAZY_MOVE folds, MC Sikaniska folds, teemu__ calls $4.
Flop [board cards 5,J,A ]
teemu__ checks, Galapogos bets $9, teemu__ calls $9.
Turn [board cards 5,J,A,7 ]
teemu__ bets $17, Galapogos...
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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jackvance
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I think it's a blocker bet with like a weaker ace or a (flush) draw..
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minSim
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Villains limp call preflop is about alwas SC or small PP.
Therefor I just call the turn and call the river, or bet/fold river if checked to me.
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Originally Posted by minSim
Villains limp call preflop is about alwas SC or small PP.
Therefor I just call the turn and call the river, or bet/fold river if checked to me.
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If he had a set and for some reason chose not to donk bet or c/r me on the flop, don't you think it would be more likely that he would c/r me on the turn rather than lead out?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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benny999
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most likely he's trying to control the size of the pot with A-x, or a flush draw that could've picked up outs like 86cc or 7cXc.
for sure raise for value/protection.
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minSim
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I don't think raising is that obvious because it gives villain an easy choice while OOP. He instamucks any weak hand while when we call he has a hard time on the river.
On the other hand there's certainly merit in raising because of a draw or weaker 2pair.
(I just like raising this flop being villain with a draw because hero pretty much has to muck without an ace.)
In the end I think a raise is better as said for value and charging draws.
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Genitruc
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i think that lead means either it's time to pull out a Smirnoff Ice and get coolered or else scare away his flush draw by raising (I've been seeing the turn lead OOP w draws more and more... not sure why).
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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griffey24
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I think A7 or A5 are definitely in his range here. Raaaaise this turn!
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Originally Posted by griffey24
I think A7 or A5 are definitely in his range here. Raaaaise this turn!
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There's no question I'm definately raising this turn. If he stumbled upon a set of 7s (what's with people floating OOP with a bad PP lately anyway?) good for him. I really don't think that's a set of 5s (as well as A5) just by the way it's played. So I pretty much locked his range on A7, 77, or a draw, I was getting an 86cc vibe. I know there's plenty of other hands but I figured these heavily to be his primary range.
FWIW I pushed, thoughts?
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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minSim
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If you put his range on A7, 77 or a draw, then why are you pushing?
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Because I want his money.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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minSim
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Pushing isn't the way then
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Originally Posted by jackvance
I think it's a blocker bet with like a weaker ace or a (flush) draw..
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I agree, that is why I raise to about $65 here and get the rest in on a safe river.
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Originally Posted by minSim
Pushing isn't the way then
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Please explain.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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