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Jethro87
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05-24-2006, 04:44 PM
Post subject: bankroll for multitabling 6 max?
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I'm a SNG player who is getting sick of the grind. Also, i've come to believe that the "real" money comes from ring. So very soon i will take the plunge. I'll be goin to party to 4 table 25NL 6 max. I was wondering what kind of bankroll is needed for this....i know 6 max is much more swingy....and if i only have 20 buy ins and play 4 at a time i will be playing with 20% of my roll, which obviously isn't good. What kind of roll do you ring players play with?
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Silly String
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20 buy ins is fine for most TAG players. Your varience shouldn't change if you single table or four table. Your swings will come and go a little faster than live games though since you are playing more hands faster. The key is not to tilt, since an hour of tilt will cost you over 300 hands instead of 50.
Just a little advice when switching games: Remember TPTK is great in SNGs, but you need better hands to push in cash games. I also advise against slow playing and bluffing at 25NL games. Just make a hand and value bet the shit out of it until somebody tells you your beat. 6 max will be more profitable if you have quality reads. Pokertracker or Pokeroffice help with general reads too.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Jethro87
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Thanks for the reply. Yea, i've already found it to be ridiculously profitable by just playing fairly straightforward poker. I use pokeroffice with the HUD, which i think will help when i move up to 4 tables. thanks again.
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johnny_fish
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I think 15-20 buyins is fine for lower limits (up to 50NL). Take 20-25 for 100NL, 30 for higher limits. That should let you play comfortably.
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ihategnomes
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Remember TPTK is great in SNGs, but you need better hands to push in cash games.
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Why?
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
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WildBobAA
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Yea, what johnny said
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WildBobAA
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Originally Posted by ihategnomes
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Remember TPTK is great in SNGs, but you need better hands to push in cash games.
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deep stacks
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ihategnomes
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Bah, I didnt want you to answer. Some people know what to do, but not why they do it.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
<Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
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Silly String
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Oh you were testing me were you? 
With low blinds and deeper effective stacks implied odds shoot through the roof and people will open up their ranges and take shots at hitting big hands. You must learn to lay down hands that were powerful in pre-flop poker i.e. SNG with quick rising blinds.
Not to mention the number of set-hunters that are empowered by deep stacks. SNG transitioners are a set-hunters supper.
Grasshopper say, yes sensei?
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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aislephive
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20 is standard.
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alias2211
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since i moved from 2 to 4 tables at once i noticed that my swings really appear to be widened somewhat. so what might have rattled me somewhat at 2 tables might be standard fare at 4 tables (i.e. 8 buyin swings on 2 tables isn't as easy to swallow as it is on 4 tables). accordingly, i have come to find that i find myself preferring a slightly larger bankroll than i once did. but not by too much, maybe on the order of 15% or something along those lines, certainly not doubling up. if you're playing solid poker, 4 tables will grow your bankroll, not shrink it.
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UG
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Depends on how well you can multi-table. I feel that my game goes to shit when I play more than three tables. But, with that said, it could be a mental thing for me too. I could be sitting there saying, "OMG I'm down two buy-ins" playing four tables......when I'd be down one buy-in at two tables.
I think 20 is enough, but I'd prefer 30-40, especially the higher stakes you go. Just makes it easier to stomach I guess.
EDIT: But don't take my word for it, I'm the guy playing NL200 with roughly 70 buy-ins behind me, which is pretty stupid. 
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jackvance
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Well there is no rule that says that you HAVE TO move up.. if you found your niche and make steady money isn't that fine?
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Sarcasm is your body's natural defense against stupidity
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UG
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Originally Posted by jackvance
Well there is no rule that says that you HAVE TO move up.. if you found your niche and make steady money isn't that fine?
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Yes but most people would say I'm an idiot for not moving up or at least taking shots to try to feel comfortable at a higher limit. I would agree with those people in that it's somewhat stupid. If I could have (almost) the same win-rate I'd be making (almost) double the money.
But I've been a Bankroll Baby the whole way up the ladder, making sure I'm ready for the next step at every point.....if I could get more hands in per week/month I'm sure I'd move up more quickly too.
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ihategnomes
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Yes but most people would say I'm an idiot for not moving up
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I think your fine, move up when your comfortable.
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Field mice are fast, but owls can see in the dark.
<Bbickes> i still wanna know if the thing in your avatar is a real chick or not
<Bbickes> or am i e-crushing a dude
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alias2211
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Originally Posted by jackvance
Well there is no rule that says that you HAVE TO move up.. if you found your niche and make steady money isn't that fine?
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Yes but most people would say I'm an idiot for not moving up or at least taking shots to try to feel comfortable at a higher limit. I would agree with those people in that it's somewhat stupid. If I could have (almost) the same win-rate I'd be making (almost) double the money.
But I've been a Bankroll Baby the whole way up the ladder, making sure I'm ready for the next step at every point.....if I could get more hands in per week/month I'm sure I'd move up more quickly too. |
i hope you're at least taking shots at bigger games w/ that roll. IMO, it's the best way to develop a stomach for actually moving up when you're ready. i think when you see how tough it is to make the right plays at higher levels, the easier it is to do so at your current level. recently i've been taking shots at the $10-25nl game, and i ended up winning 3 buyins over the last 1000 hands. even though i was getting some lucky hands, i can tell i'm not ready to make that move yet. but now when i'm playing the normal $3-6 or $5-10 game, making the right plays (which include bluffing my entire stack sometimes) doesn't seem like such a problem. i would recommend that anyone who is overrolled start taking shots at higher games. even if you never move up it will improve your game.
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