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kmind
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07-08-2008, 09:17 PM
Post subject: Bad Move?
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Straight Flush
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Villain was very aggro and liked to steal blinds a lot and everyone had folded to his attempts prior.
$0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($86.65)
UTG+1 ($37.65)
CO ($9.25)
BTN ($67.35)
SB ($50.25)
Hero ($50.00)
Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB  
4 folds, SB raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, SB calls $4
Flop:    ($12, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB raises to $17, Hero goes all-in $44
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Pythonic
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I like it
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Never bet on a white man in the heavyweight division!
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dalecooper
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4-of-a-Kind
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Thumbs up, hope you sucked out.
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Fnord
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I hope you got there.
Also, pretty much pot that flop every time you bet it. You WANT to tend to play bigger pots in this spot and betting big is the best way to do that.
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davegrohl
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nice hand
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bjsaust
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Screw him man!
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Just playing to improve.
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kmind
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fuck him when he owns me with Q-trash-offsuit
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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Your image must suck, or you should be pwning these guys.
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Just playing to improve.
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kmind
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yeah I kind of have a bizarre image but meh, really thought a Q would fold. And yeah, it really doesn't matter much as I have a shitload of equity. I'm Mr. Curseword today...
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zook
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You have to bet this flop harder with your entire range, $11 or $12. And always get it in here.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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Wtf, I didnt notice the tiny c-bet at first. What the heck is that about man?
Now his call isnt so bad, I think you made your hand look transparent by taking a standard donk block-bet line. I dont get this unless you wanted to get ai as a dog, which doesnt make sense.
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Just playing to improve.
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reprisal
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Its a pretty silly bet, but some people will auto-raise it, so its not always worthless.
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kmind
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
Wtf, I didnt notice the tiny c-bet at first. What the heck is that about man?
Now his call isnt so bad, I think you made your hand look transparent by taking a standard donk block-bet line. I dont get this unless you wanted to get ai as a dog, which doesnt make sense.
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The purpose was to get him to raise/fold a lot. As he calls, I still have a shitload of outs.
As mentioned by a few, I should have just bet it hard and got it in because I don't really need FE.
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bjsaust
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I think you made it very easy for opponent to play correctly here.
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Just playing to improve.
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kmind
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Meh, you'll see these bets often and I'd do it with monsters as well. I think he played it like shit tbh.
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bjsaust
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Straight Flush
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I would probably have called, but then I'd have probably tried to steal the pot with air as well and folded to your push.
I dont think he made a mistake here tbh. Whether your chance of improving makes up for the approx 1/3 times he calls your push is maths I cant be bothered doing right now, but thats largely what it depends on. I dont expect him to fold any piece of the board here.
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Just playing to improve.
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kmind
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I was just being stubborn. IMO I should have bet flop and turn hard. But what I was getting at is he probably raised my flop raise as a bluff but then was like oh shit wtf I guess I have to call now which is dumb.
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bigred
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I make similar plays, they always call, i never hit because i'm bad
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LOL OPERATIONS
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bjsaust
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If I was playing an unknown and he took this line, you've turned over pretty much what I would expect you to have.
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Just playing to improve.
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kmind
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I'm 2 levels ahead then. Such a shame.
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Lukie
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by kmind
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
Wtf, I didnt notice the tiny c-bet at first. What the heck is that about man?
Now his call isnt so bad, I think you made your hand look transparent by taking a standard donk block-bet line. I dont get this unless you wanted to get ai as a dog, which doesnt make sense.
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The purpose was to get him to raise/fold a lot. As he calls, I still have a shitload of outs.
As mentioned by a few, I should have just bet it hard and got it in because I don't really need FE. |
if this was truly your reasoning ahead of time, sticking it in on the flop is trivially easy. i'm also not a fan of the initial flop bet for various reasons but hey, anytime you get to have some fun and gambllllllle with a nut flush draw in a 3-bet pot, you're going to have some fun. that's how you have to look at it. 
I would try to think very hard what your range truly is in this spot. Be honest with yourself. It's probably a bit narrower and more transparent than you think.. JMO though.
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griffey24
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I think I prefer a normal sized bet here. Your line LOOKS like a draw.
I'd call with Qx too I'd imagine, if i had decided to raise Qx in the first place.
There's no way you'd ever bet so small with KKK/QQQ/KQ on such a draw heavy flop. Would you?? When you take lines, they have to be believable to how you'd play your big hands on certain boards.
If you'd play big hands this way though.. then thats a different story and I like it.
But then I'd be asking you why you're giving all draws such good odds with your $3 bet
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kmind
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Yeah I'm just being stubborn guys haha.
Yeah griff, this board is the worst to do it on. Totally agree (just like I agree to the other advice).
Thanks guys.
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