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Old 02-02-2007, 02:03 PM     Post subject: Bad lines? SHNL50$ (The real question: Am I a donk?) #1 (permalink)  
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Hi, my first post on this site. I have been reading this site for about 4-5 months (appx the same period I have been starting out playing poker). U guys have helped me earning my first 1000 $ (TY!).

I am now trying some short stays at SHNL 50$-tables, usually 4-tabling. Just curious about a couple of hands:

1. First hand at table, unknown opp, how could I have extracted more money? What does opp have here?


** Freising [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- DexieFace sitting in seat 1 with $58.00
- hauken83 sitting in seat 2 with $49.50
- jaybe9 sitting in seat 3 with $46.86
- Borath sitting in seat 4 with $40.63
- luis66 sitting in seat 5 with $125.00
- waveman3522 sitting in seat 6 with $66.18 [Dealer]

DexieFace posted the small blind - $0.25
hauken83 posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to hauken83: Jack of Diamonds, 10 of Spades
jaybe9 folded
Borath folded
luis66 folded
waveman3522 folded
DexieFace called - $0.50
hauken83 checked

** Dealing the flop: Ace of Clubs, Queen of Hearts, King of Clubs
DexieFace bet - $1.00
hauken83 raised - $2.00
DexieFace called - $2.00

** Dealing the turn: 8 of Hearts
DexieFace checked
hauken83 bet - $3.00
DexieFace raised - $7.00
hauken83 called - $7.00

** Dealing the river: 7 of Spades
DexieFace bet - $13.00
hauken83 went all-in - $40.50


2. Same table, a few orbits later, villain haven't done anything special, weak line?

** Game ID 1176483758 starting - 2007-02-02 14:10:03
** Freising [Hold 'em] (0.25|0.50 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- DexieFace sitting in seat 1 with $50.00
- hauken83 sitting in seat 2 with $69.75 [Dealer]
- jaybe9 sitting in seat 3 with $46.11
- Borath sitting in seat 4 with $40.13
- luis66 sitting in seat 5 with $125.00
- waveman3522 sitting in seat 6 with $67.13

jaybe9 posted the small blind - $0.25
Borath posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to hauken83: King of Clubs, King of Hearts
luis66 raised - $3.00
waveman3522 folded
DexieFace folded
hauken83 raised - $11.00
jaybe9 folded
Borath folded
luis66 called - $11.00

** Dealing the flop: 2 of Clubs, Jack of Hearts, 5 of Diamonds
luis66 checked
hauken83 bet - $12.00
luis66 called - $12.00

** Dealing the turn: 9 of Hearts
luis66 checked
hauken83 checked

** Dealing the river: 7 of Clubs
luis66 checked
hauken83 bet - $14.00
luis66 called - $14.00

End of game 1176483758

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Old 02-02-2007, 02:21 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 hand 1: your bet sizing is a little off on the turn. You bet $3 into (i think) a $7 pot. Bet $5 on the turn and it makes it easier to get AI by the river.

hand 2: if im reading the HH right, you reraised to $14? a 4.5x reraise is a bit of overkill, and will blow alot of villains off the pot when you have a strong hand like this. 3-3.5x reraise is fine here. This is another spot where your not betting enough. On the flop, the pot is $28. you should fire out a $20ish bet here. Also, dont check behind on the turn. your only giving strait/flush draws free cards. just push on the river. Again, if im reading the HH right, you bet $14 into a $50+ pot.
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Old 02-02-2007, 02:26 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - don't min-raise. {misread HH}

Either put in a real raise and hope he has a hand, or just call. I would re-raise his turn bet.

He's either a donk with QQ+, AQ+, or he has 88

Hand 2 - I like pre-flop. It defines your hand, but denies odds.
{I misread the HH. A raise of $8 to $11 would be good}

I like flop because you don't want to blow out worse hands. You have to bet turn, pot is already full buy-in, some pseudo draws are coming, just put it in here. No reason to do anything besides push river
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Thank you for fast reply. I agree with your comments, the minraise in hand 1 was to make him think I got air, but I agree valuebetting and hoping he got the the goods is better.
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Hand 1 - don't min-raise.
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I'm a little confused on your hand history. Was that a minraise, or was it a raise OF 2, to 3? and villain calling an extra 2?

In either case. I think I would have re-raised villain on the turn in hand 1, after he check raised. (and also lead out more)

Hand 2: if this was just a raised pot, I wouldn't mind checking through the turn here sometimes for pot control. But given that this is a re-raised pot, I think I wanna get it all in here at some point, so definitely bet the turn.
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Read the posts in the digest. There is lots of great information. You'll start to develop reasons for your bets, a sample list:
1) value
2) protection
3) deception
4) isolation

Sometimes it's only one, sometimes multiple. As you start to figure out why you're betting you'll realize how much you should be betting.
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Hand 1 - don't min-raise.
welcome to FTR,

I'm a little confused on your hand history. Was that a minraise, or was it a raise OF 2, to 3? and villain calling an extra 2?

In either case. I think I would have re-raised villain on the turn in hand 1, after he check raised. (and also lead out more)

Hand 2: if this was just a raised pot, I wouldn't mind checking through the turn here sometimes for pot control. But given that this is a re-raised pot, I think I wanna get it all in here at some point, so definitely bet the turn.

Griffey:
It was a minraise to 2, and he then called.
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btw, where can I find the handconvertor?
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Old 02-02-2007, 05:10 PM     Post subject: Re: Bad lines? SHNL50$ (The real question: Am I a donk?) #10 (permalink)  
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DexieFace posted the small blind - $0.25
hauken83 posted the big blind - $0.50
** Dealing card to hauken83: Jack of Diamonds, 10 of Spades
jaybe9 folded
Borath folded
luis66 folded
waveman3522 folded
DexieFace called - $0.50
hauken83 checked
I'm pretty sure everyones reading the HH wrongly. It says called ".50" when he really just called .25.

So here's my help (you played the hands pretty well):

Hand 1: raise flop to $3, be turn closer to pot, call the raise. and put the rest in on the river.

Hand 2: Flop i bet 16. turn i push.

The way you played it, you can probably get more value on the river, bet at least 25.
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