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Old 07-10-2006, 09:02 AM     Post subject: Bad Beat or just bad play? #1 (permalink)  
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Seat 3: bsdpt ($18.15 in chips)
Seat 4: JLJL86 ($54.85 in chips)
Seat 8: onestar1 ($23.95 in chips)
Seat 9: RIPJohnGotti [AH,3S] ($36.65 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
onestar1 posts blind ($0.15), RIPJohnGotti posts blind ($0.25).

PRE-FLOP
bsdpt calls $0.25, JLJL86 calls $0.25, onestar1 folds, RIPJohnGotti checks.

FLOP [board cards AD,3C,2C ]
RIPJohnGotti bets $1.50, bsdpt folds, JLJL86 bets $5, RIPJohnGotti bets $34.90 and is all-in, JLJL86 calls $31.40.

TURN [board cards AD,3C,2C,2D ]


RIVER [board cards AD,3C,2C,2D,9D ]


SHOWDOWN
RIPJohnGotti shows [ AH,3S ]
JLJL86 shows [ 4C,5D ]
JLJL86 wins $73.45.
30%


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Old 07-10-2006, 11:56 AM #2 (permalink)  
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This isn't a bad beat, he out flopped you and that's when the money went in.
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Old 07-10-2006, 12:22 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Well it's not a BAD play but it's usually not a good idea to go broke in an unraised pot. I have to say that it's not a good play. I can't really see anyone calling you with a worse hand here.
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Old 07-10-2006, 01:02 PM #4 (permalink)  
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the pot before you bet is $0.90. Bet $0.50-$0.70 and make those flush draws/gutshots pay to draw. If you are reraised, then fold.
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Old 07-10-2006, 02:16 PM #5 (permalink)  
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How about neither? Unfortunate situation?
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Old 07-10-2006, 09:34 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Generally, it's a bad idea to assume villain has (or doesn't have) anything in an unraised pot, and suited connectors certainly is a hand that many people would limp preflop.

Why go broke and bet stack into a $7 pot?
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:00 AM #7 (permalink)  

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If the guy flips AK ur a genius.

Unfortunate situation is correct however a pot like this can only really be determined by reference to your reads on your opponent.

If the guy is a donk and would bet the same and call with pair of Aces then its just bad luck.

If the guy is a solid player then its extremely bad play because in a limped pot with that flop no one is calling 5 x pot all in with anything less than trips.

There's not much in the pot and your opponent has re-raised 2.5 the pot anyway. There's a flush draw so it is obvious he is trying to protect a hand.

Given his stack size I'd guess he is solid so u should know you are losing after his first raise. Fold or flat call and if u miss ur boat on the turn fold to any medium sized bet.
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Old 07-12-2006, 10:38 AM #8 (permalink)  
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 i think it is fine to call something a bad beat when they have an unfortunate hand but your play was solid.

in this case, I think it would be really hard to get away from this. But I think you won the least you could from a worse hand. Play it a little slower and let weaker aces and flush draws pay you off, instead of scaring them and giving the max to this 45 to boot.
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