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Old 03-18-2007, 08:34 AM     Post subject: back to donking off, 6 hands ($100NL at Party) #1 (permalink)  
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1) No reads. Fold PF right? Given my call, what do I do on this flop?

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BB ($55.20)
UTG ($99.50)
Hero ($241.75)
CO ($91.60)
Button ($238.07)
SB ($140.41)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, Q. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB (poster) raises to $11.5, 1 fold, Hero calls $8.

Flop: ($25) 5, 2, 7 (2 players)
SB bets $22, Hero ...?


2) He has made some weird questionable plays and I don't think much of him. He's 61/17 over 100 hands. What's the best way to play the turn?

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SB ($110.40)
BB ($245.96)
Hero ($104.20)
MP ($121.30)
Button ($104)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9, 9. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $4, 3 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 2, K, 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB calls $7.

Turn: ($22.50) K
Hero ...?


3) No reads except that he's 31/14/3 over 80 hands. Instafold turn right?

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Hero ($100)
Button ($44.37)
SB ($110.50)
BB ($129.88)
UTG ($101.90)

Preflop: Hero is MP with A, 8. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.

Flop: ($8.50) 4, J, 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $11.

Turn: ($44.50) J (2 players)
BB bets $35, Hero ...?


4) No reads. What's the ideal PF play?

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CO ($48.64)
Hero ($103.10)
SB ($42.09)
BB ($87)
UTG ($86.22)
MP ($98)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T, T. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, MP raises to $4, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $10, 4 folds.

Flop: ($26.50) K, K, 5 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($26.50) 2 (2 players)
CO bets $10, Hero calls $10.

River: ($46.50) K (2 players)
CO bets $8, Hero calls $8.

Final Pot: $59.50


5) No reads. Line check.

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Hero ($115.90)
MP ($112.50)
CO ($138.11)
Button ($105)
SB ($100.50)
BB ($105.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, CO calls $4, 3 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 8, K, 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, CO raises to $16, Hero calls $8.

Turn: ($41.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $14, Hero calls $14.

River: ($69.50) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $15, Hero calls $15.

Final Pot: $99.50


6) The way I played this hand seems very bad to me. Should I have bet the turn?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($204.65)
Button ($208.92)
SB ($73.51)
BB ($118.49)
UTG ($94.30)
MP ($106.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 6, A. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, SB (poster) raises to $4.5, BB calls $4, UTG folds, Hero calls $4.

Flop: ($16) 3, 5, 3 (3 players)
SB bets $11, BB folds, Hero calls $11.

Turn: ($38) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: ($38) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20


P.S. If some of the hands are messed up, let me know ... the converter is screwed up and I had to manually fix every hand.



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Old 03-18-2007, 10:14 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1: Fold preflop. As played: Push flop.

Hand 2: I fire another barrel on this turn and slowdown on river. Although sometimes I check if he doesn't know how to build a pot.

Hand 3: I'm pushing this flop.

Hand 4: I'm folding preflop, otherwise postflop is fine.

Hand 5: I'm either RR this flop to 35 or leading the turn again about 2/3 pot. I'd hate to give FD free cards and his flop minraise means so many things. That said, against some players this line is correct and I've done it many times.

Hand 6: I'm raising preflop if you're going to play. Postflop I'm raising over him every time here given your hand. I don't like your river bet as well, what do you plan on calling you here that you beat? What is he folding?


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Old 03-18-2007, 12:39 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Hand 1 : I like your call here PF with this hand. If it were KQo I'd lean towards a fold.

There's nothing wrong with raising but I think calling is better. A villain 3-betting this small is usually not all that good so I don't think there's any need to get tricky here by raising.

Against a thinker I'd be more likely to raise since it will freeze them a lot and they'll flat-call fearing a set and check the turn to you (you can then check behind and get to the river cheaply).

Here though, this type of player (just someone who 3-bets less than 3x OOP) will usually pay you off really nicely when you hit your flush so flat-calling is good.

Hand 2 : don't think it matters what you do on this turn so long as you have a plan for villain's possible checkraise and then for the river if he flat-calls (i.e. fold any diamond? Value-bet non-diamond rag?).

This type of villain has a huge range of calling hands on this flop so personally I give him a free card here lots and consider calling just about any river lead by him. Depending on his checking speed, I may value-bet a raggy river since they "won't believe you" so often on this paired board and call-down with insane garbage.

Hand 3 : Eww. Good thing I'm not playing this hand vs myself since I'd show up with air a whole lot if I were villain here.

He's repping a set so folding is fine but I'm always confused by turn leads i big pots. Is he afraid you might check through? The fact that he leads the turn makes me think he's simply protecting JJJ without the boat meaning that you have outs and you'll almost certainly get paid when you hit.

Tainted outs that give him a boat make it a close fold imo.

Hand 4 : NH. Villain has QQ-JJ-99 here a lot but he's giving you such a nice price...

IMO all options are good preflop. Nothing bad about getting it in vs donk min-raising shorty for 50 bb's w 1010.

Hand 5 :

I like your line up till the river. I think you lose lots of value by him checking worse made hands behind since your line looks like a flush. Bet 30-35$ and think about folding to a push.

Hand 6 is fine in my eyes.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 03-18-2007, 10:20 PM #4 (permalink)  
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1) Without reads, I fold this PF as I dont think we can assume we are getting 3bet very lightly right off the bat. Moving past that though, we are definitely in an interesting spot. We are ahead of all PPs up to JJ [not including sets obviously] and behind QQ+ by a good margin. The problem with this though is that without a read we really dont know what sort of 3betting range they have, but we should assume that among calling hands it is definitely going to be weighted very strongly towards the hands that have us crushed. I dont really like folding, and well, I suck at EV calcs but I dont think calling is bad and is probably what I would do. Id like to see some other input on this though

2) You are in position on this hand, what does the BB do?

3) Yes, this should be a standard fold as he is representing at least a jack here and you could be drawing dead

4) I think this is fine

5) I hate spots like these, but I dont really think you can fold anywhere. Does bet/folding the turn have any merit?

6) Preflop is something I have been doing recently because you dont really want to push out the lower SCs that could make a strong second best type of hand. Im not sure if raising the flop is something we should consider, it depends alot on our opponent but i dont think raising or calling are bad [obviously], Im just not sure which is best. Turn is fine, but on the river I think I check behind because there isnt really much that we get called by that we are ahead of except maybe ace high
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Old 03-20-2007, 05:27 PM #5 (permalink)  
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Hand 1: Fold pre-flop. Post-flop I'd neither fold nor push.
Hand 2: I'm inclined to bet here if you're comfortable dealing with a raise.
Hand 3: It's fine.
Hand 4: Fold pre-flop. Given how shallow the money is, I would just felt this if I see a flop.
Hand 5: If he sucks then play for stacks.
Hand 6: Turn bet would be a reasonable play. River bet is pretty terrible.
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Old 03-20-2007, 09:21 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Hand 1 - This is a situation that I feel is a huge leak for me. I have a huge hand with two overs / big FD, but he showed aggresion preflop, and we all know - whether we admit it or not - he is usually not folding to a push here on the flop. I think folding is fine, calling is okay too.. I wish we were OOP so we could push any turn without him getting a bet in to pot commit himself. Call, re-evaluate the turn, fold a lot of turns.

2 - I want to go for a raise here, or a check raise. We can fold later on if it becomes appearent that he actually does have a King. He might turn on the aggro meter because the second K makes a draw look a lot more juicy to him in terms of fold equity. I'd either c/r, c/c, or just raise it to begin with.

3 - Fold, you may have 0 outs, pot odds not good enough. Me thinks if you just call, he shuts down on river if a spade comes and he doesn't have the boat.

4 - I'd re-raise preflop. As played, I think you are ahead a bunch, and checking behind on the turn opens up the door for a bunch of tough Turn spots. Raise the flop. As played, turn call is good. As played, i'd re-raise the river. I'm only worried about JJ / QQ here...

5 - I like pushing the turn. Insta-pushing.

6 - I bet the turn, I think he is folding there. If he calls, I bet the river even harder if it doesn't complete a lot of drawing hands... (which it did.)
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Old 03-21-2007, 12:46 AM #7 (permalink)  
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 I think folding the flop in hand 1 would be a pretty big leak.
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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