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Jager
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02-20-2007, 11:42 AM
Post subject: Axx flop with flush draw
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Full House
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I don't really know what to do here...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
Hero ($125.65)
CO ($161.60)
Button ($94.50)
SB ($36)
BB ($71.20)
UTG ($98.50)
Preflop: Hero is MP with T , Q.
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 3 folds.
Flop: ($9.50) 5, 9, A (2 players)
Hero bets $6, CO raises to $18, Hero ???
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coolsmoe
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Advice from a newbie, but I would fold that hand preflop...
As played, I would probably fold but if you like to gamble, "shove it" is fine I think. 
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bode
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Straight Flush
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youre getting the right price to chase it, but a good villain could be repoping you here w/ AhXh flush draw since you are so deep. I probly call here and reevaluate the turn.
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noble007
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Yeah I probably call & re-evaluate turn.
If a heart doesn't fall I probably fold to a decent sized bet.
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Toadstool
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It's a high varience play but a nice line here is to call and C/R any turn (apart from an ace)
If villain is at least somewhere near decent he should be able to fold the large majority of his range - far more than if you just shoved the flop.
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IowaSkinsFan
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oop you can just fold unless you think opp will not fold to a reasonable river bet if u hit.
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jackvance
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If I got c/r in position here I'd call, OOP I fold. Too hard to get paid when you hit when you're first to act in my experience.
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Silly String
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Full House
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I think pushing is horrible.
I'm with Bodeist and Noble007, I'll peel one off and re-evaluate a turn bet, probably c/f ing to a big bet.
I also can't tell if I want the Ah or not. I guess not. This could easily be a set. I don't think a passive AK(just calling flop) raises the flop so much, nor a Axh.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Warpe
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Call, c/f if you miss, otherwise c/r.
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Fnord
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Would he raise Ax?
I would make it $50 and shove any turn card.
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euphoricism
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Would he raise Ax?
I would make it $50 and shove any turn card.
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Damn, youve got cojones
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Call, c/f if you miss, otherwise LEAD
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fyp!
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Warpe
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Call, c/f if you miss, otherwise LEAD
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Why be so obvious when the draw completes?
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Fnord
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Originally Posted by euphoricism
Damn, youve got cojones
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Hand reading. Although, I'm making a lot of assumptions based on typical TAggs in this game.
Ax will usually call or raise "to see where he's at." If he's weak he might call the 50 and fold to the follow-through. In any case, we follow-through to set-up future aggression. If he's got a set or whatever, then good for him, I hope we suck out.
All that being said, the 3x raise looks a lot like "I'm really not buying that you have Ax here and even if you did, a lot of players would fold it to my position raise, so bend over bitch." This is a perfect spot to 3-bet light.
I really like the play if I have Jager's image.
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gabe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
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Originally Posted by gabe
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Originally Posted by Warpe
Call, c/f if you miss, otherwise LEAD
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Why be so obvious when the draw completes? |
its seems obvious, but from experience people seem less scared of a flush when you bet out when it hits. even alot of bad players know not to hit when the flush hits.
i do c/r sometimes, but i lead probably 80% of the time
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by Fnord
Would he raise Ax?
I would make it $50 and shove any turn card.
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i love this. balls to the wall and watnot 
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Genitruc
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I'd be more prone to call with the hand you have then someting like AQ no heart...
Depends most for me what you think likelihood of villain paying off your draw is when you hit.
If he's the type of playing who's capable of bluff-raising the flop then pitch it since you're probably behind as it is and don't necessarily have juicy implied odds.
If he's a payoff wizard then obv calling is +ev.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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