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benny999
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06-28-2007, 08:35 PM
Post subject: this was awkward...
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BB is usually loose/passive, but i've seen him pull an all in double barrel semi bluff before.
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
MP ($424.10)
Button ($376)
SB ($629.65)
BB ($208.70)
Hero ($411.90)
Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 , J.
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB calls $12, BB calls $10.
Flop: ($42) 6 , 7, 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $32, SB folds, BB calls $32.
Turn: ($106) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...
BB just has $163 left. i bet, but wasnt sure of the amount, and if i want to call a c/r.
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griffey24
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I agree this line is weird... but i just cant call here.
If you had better reads, its possible, but without anything solid I fold here.
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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benny999
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i guess it looked like he shoved the turn, but i edited - it was just checked to me.
i was thinking either check behind, bet smallish (call a push?), or bet big and call a push.
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sauce123
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90 call shove
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Originally Posted by sauce123
90 call shove
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really? you're comfortable stacking off TPGK vs a loose passive?
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IowaSkinsFan
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I can't see us not betting here and there's no way we're folding to a minraise shove so yeah.
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Genitruc
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i d bet pot and call a shove
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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what's wrong with checking behind? besides giving a free card?
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Genitruc
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what's wrong with checking behind? besides giving a free card?
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giving a free card isn't great since soooo many cards can help villain's range
if board was dry it'd be ok but so much of villain's range is pair + str8 draw and 9x which all have 10ish+ outs vs our hand
also, at this point I'd say pot is big enough to be worth protecting.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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sauce123
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hyper- if we check behind its wit the intention of folding to any bet on almost any river... so giving up basically
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Numbr2intheWorld
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why would we check? tons of worse hands call lets not be a nit.
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benny999
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i guess this was fine then - i bet $75 intending to call a push, and after a few seconds, they folded.
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Genitruc
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damn benny u r a baller
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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minSim
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Who else pots the flop?
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noble007
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Well Played...
I'm a wimp though, I check behind, I'm not risking 50bb's on tpgk vs a loose passive when I can wait to value bet stronger.
(When top pair is an 8 on a 678 board.)
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by benny999
i guess this was fine then - i bet $75 intending to call a push, and after a few seconds, they folded.
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Does this hand playout the same or differently if he check-raises the flop. You still willing to stack off here?
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Originally Posted by Jay-Z
I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by minSim
Who else pots the flop?
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not me. I dont want to build it too much when there are so many scarecards that can come. 3/4 is strong enough and gets enough value but still keeps the pot a reasonable size.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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mixchange
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if your plan on turn blank with a draw heavy board is to check Hyper, you might as well open-fold on the flop.
Definitely a weird spot. I think 90/callshove is fine. I probably fold j8s pf in that position though. I would play it in CO.
Lots of people will call a flop bet if they caught a piece, thinking original raiser probably missed not putting benny on top pair. So we have to bet turn here, lots of hands call flop even with nothing.
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minSim
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Originally Posted by minSim
Who else pots the flop?
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not me. I dont want to build it too much when there are so many scarecards that can come. 3/4 is strong enough and gets enough value but still keeps the pot a reasonable size. |
I think hero is more often ahead here then behind and a potsized bet is called just as often as a 3/4 bet. Therefor I'd pot it. Like to hear more thoughts why it is bad though.
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Pelion
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Originally Posted by minSim
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Originally Posted by Pelion
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Originally Posted by minSim
Who else pots the flop?
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not me. I dont want to build it too much when there are so many scarecards that can come. 3/4 is strong enough and gets enough value but still keeps the pot a reasonable size. |
I think hero is more often ahead here then behind and a potsized bet is called just as often as a 3/4 bet. Therefor I'd pot it. Like to hear more thoughts why it is bad though. |
Its not just about being ahead though. Its about being ahead and being playable. Being ahead now and betting before giving up on a card that missed both of us sucks alot. Being in position protects us from most of this but we can still check behind on the turn and then face a tough river bet OR be forced to make a turn bet of our own that we arent really happy with. I dont particularly want to play a big pot with this hand so I wont go out of my way to build one.
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gabe: Ive dropped almost 100k in the past 35 days.
bigspenda73: But how much did you win?
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benny999
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Originally Posted by benny999
i guess this was fine then - i bet $75 intending to call a push, and after a few seconds, they folded.
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Does this hand playout the same or differently if he check-raises the flop. You still willing to stack off here? |
that'd be tough. good chance id call an all in c/r but fold to a small one...but folding to any c/r is prob best.
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benny999
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pelion good point. makes me think how this all started pre flop.
i forget why i raised, its not like standard utg for me...
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mixchange
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yeah, thats the problem with raising with a lot of players behind you with an awkward hand like j8. I would have just dumped it. I would waise J8, but only in CO or button.
I like pelion's advice, pot control with a marginal hand is important, no sense in bloating to the point where we have to call a push with top pair and an 8 kicker.
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