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johnny_fish

09-27-2006, 11:42 PM Post subject: AQs monotone flop 4-way

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Villain is 37/25/1 over a small sample. Didn't get out of line so far. Turn/river plan?

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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with

UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $11, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop:

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SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $34, Button calls, 2 folds.

Turn:

($116, 2 players)

Hero ? (212$ behind)

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09-27-2006, 11:48 PM

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Pattern Mapper sez he's either on the flush draw or you're in for a world of hurt.

Check

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09-28-2006, 12:10 AM

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Pattern Mapper sez he's either on the flush draw or you're in for a world of hurt.

Check

Could you elaborate?

If he checks behind, bet/fold most rivers? Fold if he bets the turn big?

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09-28-2006, 12:32 AM

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Could you elaborate?

Do you DARE question the great Pattern Mapper?!?!?!?!

Alright. He flat called your c-bet with 2 players remaining to act. A lukewarm hand will often raise there to isolate your c-bet (which into 3 players doesn't figure to be too light, but is still a wide enough range Ax would figure to be in pretty good shape) and force the players behind him to commit or fold. With a draw or very strong hand, he will just call your light bet and hope someone else gets dragged into the pot. Furthermore, the multi-way nature of this pot will force him to play his hand a little more straight up than he might heads-up.

Another plausable scenario is that he's floating Tx to see what's up and if you really have an Ace or just because he's stubborn post-flop. If that's what's up, he just got there.

All that being said, more information on him than just PT pre-flop numbers

would help further clairify things.

I check and see what he does. Maybe I call, maybe I fold, I might even push. I'm crazy like that. CRAZY I TELL YOU.

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09-28-2006, 01:07 AM

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Check and play some poker. Your top pair is not a hand worth getting too attached to so don't feel bad chucking it. It's not like you just flopped bottom set in a reraised pot on a TJQs board. That would suck. This... eh, no big deal.

Honestly, I don't see him raising a lukewarm hand here with people behind him yet to act. A lot of people get scared and will just call with something iffy. I really can't see him calling with a ten on this board and with people behind him either unless he's an idiot.

So check and call something small and hope he gives you a cheap showdown. If he bets anything substantial go ahead and fold because he's going to make it a real bitch to play the river.

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09-28-2006, 01:14 AM

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I really can't see him calling with a ten on this board and with people behind him either unless he's an idiot.

We haven't ruled this out yet.

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09-28-2006, 01:51 AM

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If he has a hand like KTo, QTo, JTo, they are all calling these flop bets here if they have they have a big heart. You've got to check behind here.

Fnord, your mapper must be broken. Mine has the Queen of hearts coming on the river.

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09-28-2006, 01:57 AM

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Good point fnord, good point eclipse. I didn't think of a ten + heart sticking around. If you somehow ended up in this pot, would you call with T + nonking heart?

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09-28-2006, 02:02 AM

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Good point fnord, good point eclipse. I didn't think of a ten + heart sticking around. If you somehow ended up in this pot, would you call with T + nonking heart?

fuck no.

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09-28-2006, 02:07 AM

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oh yea lol. for like a year I read it as eclipse until you mentioned it being elipses. then I forgot again forever until now. I like being real quick like, you know?

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09-28-2006, 02:55 PM

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Ok, didn't think things through and was focusing on the FD so I bet planning to fold to a push..

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Stack sizes:
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SB: $193.95
BB: $58

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with

UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $11, Button calls, SB calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds.

Flop:

($48, 4 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $34, Button calls, 2 folds.

Turn:

($116, 2 players)
Hero bets $75, Button calls.

River:

($266, 2 players)
Hero ? (142$ left)

It seems every 2K hands or so I just donate $$ with a hand like this

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09-28-2006, 03:46 PM

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Well, at least the river was a complete blank. That turn bet inflated the pot too much. Unless you have some kind of read that he's a one card flush chasing fish who bluffs big on missed draws, you're gonna have to check and fold here.

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09-28-2006, 04:23 PM

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minbet!!

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09-28-2006, 05:01 PM

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minbet!!

for real?

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09-28-2006, 05:07 PM

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09-28-2006, 05:09 PM

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i dont know, im currently researching the psychology surrounding the minbet.

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09-29-2006, 03:15 AM

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once u minbet he raises with atc and u have no clue where u are

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09-29-2006, 01:53 PM

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My weak ass flop play:
Is it too terribly weak to check from the cut-off and wait till a safe turn card drops before putting any money into this 4-way pot with a bad flop? This will control the pot size with a very marginal holding due to flop texture. Too weak?

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09-29-2006, 02:11 PM

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Quote:

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once u minbet he raises with atc and u have no clue where u are

welllll if he raises with ATC then we have a better clue than if we just checked

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