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Old 11-22-2006, 08:09 PM     Post subject: AQs, flopped nut flush ($50NL Stars) #1 (permalink)  
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 The small bet and call OOP was a frequent occurance at this table by Jarules and jvrd. If they were raised, they'd sometimes call and sometimes not call. Given that (pretty useless info), what is my best play here? Also, what should my turn action be?

PokerStars Game #7124454337: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/11/22 - 01:39:31 (ET)
Table 'Miranda V' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: courtiebee ($45.50 in chips)
Seat 2: malta67 ($164.60 in chips)
Seat 3: ArfaDaley ($11.10 in chips)
Seat 4: Jarulesmoky ($29.35 in chips)
Seat 5: jvrd ($72.80 in chips)
Seat 6: caddymix024 ($47.25 in chips)
Jarulesmoky: posts small blind $0.25
jvrd: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to courtiebee [Qh Ah]
caddymix024: folds
courtiebee: raises $1.50 to $2
malta67: calls $2
ArfaDaley: folds
Jarulesmoky: calls $1.75
jvrd: calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [9h Jh Th]
Jarulesmoky: bets $1
jvrd: calls $1
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:24 PM #2 (permalink)  
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 raaaaaaaaaaaise, you have like 500 nut outs in a 3 way raised pot.
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:24 PM #3 (permalink)  
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I would raise small to something like $5. You can't count on these players to be aggressive and build the pot for you. If they are on a draw or even just have a pair they will likely call you on the flop.
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:34 PM #4 (permalink)  
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$6 flat.

I see a lot of absurd calls in spots like this.
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raaaaaaaaaaaise, you have like 500 nut outs in a 3 way raised pot.
errr, misread the board. I thought we had the oesfd with the added benefit of an offsuit K being a money card against Qx.

I'd still raise though... build that pot.
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:39 PM #6 (permalink)  
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build that pot.
Yeah, key lesson here.

If you let guys who are betting $1 into $6 pots drive the betting, you're getting no value out of your hand.
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Old 11-22-2006, 08:45 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Call, because of malta yet to act. I think that those two probably have squat, so you don't want to blow them out on the off chance they pick up something on the turn. Malta may get frisky sensing "weakness", or may actually have a hand.

Unless you get raised, you are going to have to put a big bet in on the turn and hope someone calls.

Or just play it like you would QhX and hope someone is paying attention
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Call, because of malta yet to act. I think that those two probably have squat, so you don't want to blow them out on the off chance they pick up something on the turn. Malta may get frisky sensing "weakness", or may actually have a hand.
With a weak bet and 2 calls, this is a terrible spot to expect the tall stack to get out of line without a luckbox-aggro-donk read.
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 Raiiise, another heart here destroys the action. AJ will call, two pair will call/reraise, someone with a lower flush, trips etc..Building a pot > them folding, so dont slowplay this.
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make it like 7 or 8
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Meh, I change my vote. I guess I was thinking that they never have anything better than a draw or pair< JJ here, or if they do have 2-pair+ they are never folding.
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Old 11-22-2006, 09:36 PM #12 (permalink)  
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 I knew I was raising, but I wasn't sure how much. So $6-$8 then?

So true about a fourth heart killing all the action.

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Old 11-22-2006, 11:11 PM #13 (permalink)  
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i probably make it $6. maybe $7. I think $8 is too much.
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