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Old 04-17-2007, 05:47 AM     Post subject: AQs facing pf push #1 (permalink)  
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Villain is mostly unknown to me. He folded 3 hands and then he limped, another person limped and I raised with xx and he pushed when it got back to him, then the very next hand...

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Old 04-17-2007, 06:12 AM #2 (permalink)  
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 I'd prob think for a few seconds then push myself
when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:48 PM #3 (permalink)  
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 Easy push. If you're me expect to get beat by A7o but otherwise you should be ahead almost every time.


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Old 04-17-2007, 12:50 PM #4 (permalink)  
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see I would put him on AK+ everytime but I kind of expect to be wrong here based on genitruc and galapagos's responses.
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Old 04-17-2007, 12:56 PM #5 (permalink)  
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 At 100NL I see these half-stackers pushing Axs or 55+, even 22+. Sometimes you have your half-stackers that know what they're doing, but I usually just assume they're a gambling fool.


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Old 04-17-2007, 12:58 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Old 04-17-2007, 03:14 PM #7 (permalink)  
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:07 PM #8 (permalink)  
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i doubt i will "get cute" with AQ, especially without time at the table to build a read.

you are only out $2. it would be different if you KNEW the other callers would call the push if you did. but b/c you are next to act after the push...easy fold, to me.
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Old 04-17-2007, 04:19 PM #9 (permalink)  
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pretty sure u don't want anyone calling behind u.
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Old 04-17-2007, 05:15 PM #10 (permalink)  
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my only reasoning for wanting "callers behind" is the nut flush/nut straight value in an already big pot. if they call behind, that is your only way to win the hand, most likely, and you want big pots on your flushes and straights. not that this is the best way to produce one.

if i closed the action, and there were 3 callers to a push, i may want to fly with my AQs. someone more familiar with pokerstove want to give some equity numbers here against most probable ranges? AA, KK, AK, maybe there would be a 88+ in there? or some other loosies with 9Ts+? if you get a big pot with a couple all-ins, would anyone take a gamble with these holdings? are they better/more "live" than AQs?

most likely i would fold, and save my $2. but i can see a possible case for tripling or quadding up here...if the scenario ever came to pass.

if you would do it at a 10 NL table, why not here? it's not the amount of money that should matter, its the numbers of BBs already in the pot, and the numbers of BBs to be earned if stacks are a good bit deeper, right?
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:21 PM #11 (permalink)  
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wow. pokerstove is simpler than i thought, i see what you guys are saying.

anyway, loosely we can put 3 villain's ranges at 88+,AQs+,AQo+,KQ. that's a wide range, but if you are the fourth caller, you may fly with 88 or any pp for set value, yes?

stove says you have...19.995% equity against 3 opps with this range. the others have only 26.668% each.

if you run 67s against the same ranges, you get...21.556%

to me, they are both bad calls, as you can be certain someone would be holding AA/KK, but neither is much worse than the other.

sorry to take this thread in a different direction than was probably intended. carry on.
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Old 04-17-2007, 06:26 PM #12 (permalink)  
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i doubt i will "get cute" with AQ, especially without time at the table to build a read.

you are only out $2. it would be different if you KNEW the other callers would call the push if you did. but b/c you are next to act after the push...easy fold, to me.

I agree with Chopper here. You only have $2 invested, do we really need to stack off against an unknown here?

Now, like zen said, if this was the THIRD time in a row. I think its push-central
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Old 04-17-2007, 10:47 PM #14 (permalink)  
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I pushed, he had AK. I got no help .
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Old 04-18-2007, 01:14 AM #15 (permalink)  
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I pushed, he had AK. I got no help .
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
 
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Old 04-18-2007, 02:25 AM #16 (permalink)  
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This seems like sound advice. A couple of more times and you can put him in category with this villain. AQs = the nuts here.

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STAGE #618101161: HOLDEM NO LIMIT $1 - 2007-03-31 00:45:49 (ET)
Table: EDINBURGH DR (Real Money) Seat #5 is the dealer
Seat 5 - TIM WAKKO ($172.59 in chips)
Seat 6 - JANISSAIRE ($107.75 in chips)
Seat 1 - I_C4LL ($188 in chips)
Seat 2 - SCHMOOVE3 ($45.55 in chips)
Seat 3 - MAGSTAR2 ($399.40 in chips)
Seat 4 - JET99 ($142.35 in chips)
JANISSAIRE - Posts small blind $0.50
I_C4LL - Posts big blind $1
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to I_C4LL [Ac Qc]
SCHMOOVE3 - Folds
MAGSTAR2 - Folds
JET99 - Calls $1
TIM WAKKO - Raises $37 to $37
JANISSAIRE - Folds
I_C4LL - All-In(Raise) $187 to $188
JET99 - Folds
TIM WAKKO - All-In $135.59
I_C4LL - returned ($15.41) : not called
*** FLOP *** [7d 7c Ad]
*** TURN *** [7d 7c Ad] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [7d 7c Ad 8s] [5c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
I_C4LL - Shows [Ac Qc] (Two Pair, aces and sevens)
TIM WAKKO - Shows [Kd 8c] (Two Pair, eights and sevens)
I_C4LL Collects $343.68 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total Pot($346.68) | Rake ($3)
Board [7d 7c Ad 8s 5c]
Seat 1: I_C4LL (big blind) won Total ($343.68) All-In HI$343.68) with Two Pair, aces and sevens [Ac Qc - B:Ad,P:Ac,B:7d,B:7c,P:Qc]
Seat 2: SCHMOOVE3 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 3: MAGSTAR2 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 4: JET99 Folded on the POCKET CARDS
Seat 5: TIM WAKKO (dealer) HI:lost with Two Pair, eights and sevens [Kd 8c - B:8s,P:8c,B:7d,B:7c,B:Ad]
Seat 6: JANISSAIRE (small blind) Folded on the POCKET CARDS
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