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07-16-2008, 10:38 PM
Post subject: AQs in the BB
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assume no reads on anyone.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
UTG ($48.56)
UTG+1 ($212.92)
CO ($86.36)
BTN ($70.30)
SB ($181.00)
Hero ($139.15)
[UTG posted $3]
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB  
UTG checks, UTG+1 calls $2, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1, Hero checks or raises?
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Fnord
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$15
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bump it up at least $14
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Fnord
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...and I'm raising soooo many worse hands here. Free money.
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hero ends up being a pansy and checks.
Flop:    ($11, 5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.25, 3 folds, SB calls $8.25
Turn:  ($27.50, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20.62, SB calls $20.62
River:  ($68.74, 2 players)
SB bets $42, Hero??
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fold
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...wishes he raised pre-flop so he could have pushed the turn.
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I might call here.
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by bjsaust
I might call here.
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Definitely not imo
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Just for the sake of completeness, this is why I raise this:
o Lowers the SPR
o Gets some speculative hands to fold, making it more likely 1 pair is the best hand or we can c-bet into only 1 or 2 players
o AQ SUITED will hit a lot of flops.
It kind of hurts in that it defines your hand a bit out of position and unable to take a4 card flop. In a very loose live game, I'll raise it up to build the pot and just tend not to c-bet unless I hit. Online I'm more inclined to c-bet, but you still need to just give it up sometimes or at least take a quick look at who you're contesting the pot with.
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yea raise it up pf and fold the river. i play it the same with the two barrels.
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I used to check this preflop as well until someone here, I think it was Galapogos, adviced me to definately raise.
After doing that for a while, I'm pretty sure raising is better.
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I still sometimes check AQo in live games where people are limping strong hands because they don't know any better. Probably a mistake. The added chance of a rare hidden flush draw makes AQs a super-easy raise. Same with KQs and AJs. Calling in just about any game texture is a clear mistake.
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raising pf would set up a really nice turn shove.
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Anyone else LOL at UTG posting $3 right before the blinds? Way to short stack profitably.
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So BB raising range here is like pairs 66+/AJs+/AQo+/KQs
We do limp suited connectors 56+ I assume? but not much else?
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Fnord
...wishes he raised pre-flop so he could have pushed the turn.
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Ding Ding Ding
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ok, general consensus is that raising PF is +EV in that situation...what about this one:
assume no reads on anyone.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Stacks:
100bb effective
Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is BB
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $7, CO calls $7, 1 fold, SB folds, Hero calls or 3bets? what about 2 cold callers?
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I'm squeezing here everytime unless I have a read that screams nit.
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I can go either way on that one.
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Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
ok, general consensus is that raising PF is +EV in that situation...what about this one:
assume no reads on anyone.
$1/$2 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Stacks:
100bb effective
Pre-flop: ( 6 players) Hero is BB
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $7, CO calls $7, 1 fold, SB folds, Hero calls or 3bets? what about 2 cold callers? |
When you don't know, just 3 bet til you get a feel for how these hands tend to play out. This one is probably pretty close, and when it's close I like taking the more aggressive line.
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You mean the revolver, sir?
Precisely.
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I'd be more inclined to 3-bet there with the button or less money behind.
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