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johnny_fish
Old 04-18-2006, 04:46 PM     Post subject: AQ UTG #1 (permalink)  
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I'm new to 6Max, play aggro, and I'm not getting played back at a lot.. Didn't have a read on Villain in this hand. At which street should I fold?

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Stack sizes:
Hero: $206.88
CO: $104.70
Button: $99.90
SB: $110.81
BB: $126.64

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $4, CO folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: 8 T A ($9.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $7, Button raises to $20, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 ($49.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $25, Hero calls.

River: K ($99.5, 2 players)
Hero checks, Button is all-in $50.9, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: $201.3

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Old 04-18-2006, 05:27 PM #2 (permalink)  
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Double post, booo
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Old 04-18-2006, 05:29 PM #3 (permalink)  
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As played, I'm all in on the turn after his weak bet. This boad is draw heavey with straights and flushes.... time to BET... after his weak bet.. I sense draw.

I'm probably betting the turn about 3/4 pot and take it from there.

**If you're scared of two pair, etc.. then it might be time to STOP raising AQ UTG.
You have your ACE--now it's time to play it strong.
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Old 04-18-2006, 05:40 PM #4 (permalink)  
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What other hands have you shown down UTG? If they see you playing low PPs or SCs or worse, you will run into hands like this. There are lots of hands to be scared of when you get played back at after raising UTG. They must know you have a high PP and/or an Ace unless your range is wider (mine is). I would think they have a set or AK or AT. The range of hands they could have is wide here from the button. Even the river push could be a missed flush draw. Since nobody is playing back at you until now, maybe check/fold the turn. When passives wake up it's usually trouble and it looks like a value bet to keep you in on the turn. The result is surprising. Tough hand that I've played the same way many times and lost most of them.
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:09 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I open-raise any PP/any SC/AT+/KQ from any position, so my image is probably LAG.

If Villain is on a draw he'd take the free card usually so c/f or b/f the turn is best?
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:23 PM #6 (permalink)  
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Cr turn ai or fold. I don't like c/c here, given the texture of the board. Another option is to lead the turn for about $35, but I'm not too big a fan of the stop-n-go.
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Old 04-18-2006, 06:35 PM #7 (permalink)  
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This turn bet doesn't look like a draw to me, I mean, why would a draw bet like this, he would either make a big pet to get you to fold or just check and get a free-card. This small bet is strange, so what to do would depend a lot on what type of player you`re up against, in some cases I'd play it the same way as you here thinking my hand is good and letting him bet at it again, in other cases fold turn. If I thought he was on a draw I'd push turn as well, but I don't think he is on a draw... very strange way to play QJ for sure seeing results.
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Old 04-19-2006, 01:20 AM #8 (permalink)  
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even if he raised all-in on the turn this guy would have called and he woulda sucked out. so there wasn't really anywhere to go after the flop.

this guy was investing way too much money into a 4-outer. i mean really, who reraises $13 with the draw knowing he is beaten, and another $25 on the turn? very odd play imo.
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Old 04-19-2006, 01:44 AM #9 (permalink)  
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this guy was investing way too much money into a 4-outer. i mean really, who reraises $13 with the draw knowing he is beaten, and another $25 on the turn? very odd play imo.
He was double-gutted, with the backdoor flush draw. Even then, this guy's turn bet is horrible. He should either push the turn or take the free card.
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Old 04-19-2006, 02:21 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 3 bet the flop.
That turn bet does not look like anything but bullshit to me.
The flop raise looks like a flush draw perhaps set but the turn bet looks gross and id have gone over the top, if i hadnt just pushed into him anyway. If he calls then laff and label him.
As played he was repping a flush draw and wud have pushed the river if a diamond fell knowing u probably cant call because of his line. However his money card hit.
Its actaully a nice line apart from his turn bet is a dead giveaway.
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Old 04-19-2006, 02:23 PM #11 (permalink)  
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Either 3-bet or fold the flop. Calling does nothing.
 
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Old 04-19-2006, 03:08 PM #12 (permalink)  
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i think calling is fine on the flop, it lets you reevaluate them by their turn action.

i would fold the turn unless he was aggro donkey, then i would check raise allin. standard is to fold, though.

once he goes allin on the river you have to know your AQ is no good
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