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Silly String
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03-20-2008, 06:53 PM
Post subject: Anyone make this call?
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: KC, MO
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Does anyone make this call vs. a 30/20/3.0 guy that you only have 50 hands on but you feel would bluff the flush card? In limited hands, he has won 60% W$WSF and this just feels bluffy.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
BB ($76.30)
UTG ($147.95)
Hero ($85)
Button ($70)
SB ($142.95)
Preflop: Hero is MP with Q , A .
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3.
Flop: ($8.50) J , 8 , 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.
Turn: ($20.50) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB calls $14.
River: ($48.50) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero??
Hero says: I wish I had a bluff catcher here?
Final Pot: $48.50
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microgrinder
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3-of-a-Kind
Join Date: Feb 2008
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I think raising would be better than calling here. But I fold this pretty quick.
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mixchange
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4-of-a-Kind
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you are way overthinking this imo. please explain how this is at all bluffy. its like level 1 flush line -- c/c until flush hits, then bet
why would villain c/c flop/turn only to bluff when the flush came? Either way you are beat in this spot 99.9% of the time and you need to fold. And take the free card imo on the turn.
Same as in your other thread -- If u suspect he's drawing and you don't have a hand either, no point in firing the turn. you can still take the pot away on the river if you think the draw missed and u still don't have a hand.
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BigLRIP
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Straight
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: BC
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Betting the turn seems pretty marginal, I check through the majority of the time unless I have some sort of read. Calling river is throwing money away.
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will641
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4-of-a-Kind
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check behind turn, fold river.
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Cash Rules Everything Around Me.
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jyms
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Tilting Mod
Join Date: Feb 2006
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What they said ^^^^^^^^
You have a good draw and an overcard that may be good. You can't afford to not see the river.
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Silly String
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Full House
Join Date: Jul 2005
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I thought the K was a good card to 2 barrel here vs a maniac. It also gave me a GSSD.
If he hasn't raised and I give up on the turn I know I'm seeing a lead on the river.
I wanted to call b/c the river completed the FD & paired board which is the perfect card for these bad LAGs to rep on the river. I don't know I guess some of my reasoning for wanting to call was just getting a feeling from his earlier play.
FWIW, asshole flashes me Q9 after I fold.
God I am playing fishy right now. I must be tilting, wanting to make that call and letting it upset me.
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Playing live . . . thanks alot Bin Laden.
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Ash256
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4-of-a-Kind
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Originally Posted by mixchange
you are way overthinking this imo. please explain how this is at all bluffy. its like level 1 flush line -- c/c until flush hits, then bet
why would villain c/c flop/turn only to bluff when the flush came? Either way you are beat in this spot 99.9% of the time and you need to fold. And take the free card imo on the turn.
Same as in your other thread -- If u suspect he's drawing and you don't have a hand either, no point in firing the turn. you can still take the pot away on the river if you think the draw missed and u still don't have a hand.
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pocketfours
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Silly String
I thought the K was a good card to 2 barrel here vs a maniac. It also gave me a GSSD.
If he hasn't raised and I give up on the turn I know I'm seeing a lead on the river.
I wanted to call b/c the river completed the FD & paired board which is the perfect card for these bad LAGs to rep on the river. I don't know I guess some of my reasoning for wanting to call was just getting a feeling from his earlier play.
FWIW, asshole flashes me Q9 after I fold.
God I am playing fishy right now. I must be tilting, wanting to make that call and letting it upset me.
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What the others said. You don't need to barrel when you have a good draw and position. If you are OOP in this same situation then a barrel is much better. And don't be results oriented, it was a good fold. Villain's play was horrible, he was just lucky that you were bluffing also. Now he probably thinks he is Phil Ivey.
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thizzSantaCruz
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Full House
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if he's a maniac like you say wait for a better spot
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Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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ZwiFT
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Full House
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by thizzSantaCruz
if he's a maniac like you say wait for a better spot
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