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Jager
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02-28-2007, 10:24 AM
Post subject: Another reraised pot w/KK
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Villain here is 49/7/3, likes to stack off light TPGK type hands.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($83)
Hero ($128.55)
UTG ($236.90)
MP ($15.40)
CO ($87.05)
Button ($137.70)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K , K .
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $16, UTG calls $15, CO folds.
Flop: ($37.50) 7, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30.
Turn: ($97.50) Q (2 players)
Hero ???
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zook
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He has less than 1/2-pot behind, I'm just sticking it in here.
edit: OOPS, I misread and thought CO was still in the hand, not UTG. Meh, c/f probably. Tough spot.
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IowaSkinsFan
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im not sure u can fold here.
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by zook
He has less than 1/2-pot behind, I'm just sticking it in here.
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There's still like $80 to play for. I usually give up here.. which is probably very exploitable..
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zook
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Originally Posted by jackvance
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Originally Posted by zook
He has less than 1/2-pot behind, I'm just sticking it in here.
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There's still like $80 to play for. I usually give up here.. which is probably very exploitable.. |
You're right, I screwed up. Edited above.
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Fnord
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I like a check. Not sure if I'm folding or not. What range do you think he's seeing a turn with?
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griffey24
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Originally Posted by zook
He has less than 1/2-pot behind, I'm just sticking it in here.
edit: OOPS, I misread and thought CO was still in the hand, not UTG. Meh, c/f probably. Tough spot.
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If we're gonna push, and any Q will call our push. What about checking, and hoping a worse hand pushes that wouldn't call our push? Or are there too many draws out there for this play?
I can't really see what draw villain would be on in a re-raised pot. Maybe AJ/A10 diamonds. Can't see much else.
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sauce123
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C/C turn, C/C river, he has 24dd, double thru. Oh yea you probably have to fold the riv if a diamond hits as you beat absolute air.
I swear to god I do this alllll the time against donkeys with stats like this... Raise with a strong hand pre, bet flop, wait for scare card to fall on turn and let them represent it. You can't fold specially when villain has an AF of 3, because he WILL represent this queen. Sometimes he will have it sometimes not, just love the variance. I don't even mind a CR all in here against certain villains who will call with a diamond draw, heart draw, or any pair after making a sizeable turn bet, but this is definitely read dependent.
Basically I wouldn't even consider folding against someone with stats like this, sometimes high variance and high EV go hand in hand... Sauce.
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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zook
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Originally Posted by sauce123
C/C turn, C/C river, he has 24dd, double thru. Oh yea you probably have to fold the riv if a diamond hits as you beat absolute air.
I swear to god I do this alllll the time against donkeys with stats like this... Raise with a strong hand pre, bet flop, wait for scare card to fall on turn and let them represent it. You can't fold specially when villain has an AF of 3, because he WILL represent this queen. Sometimes he will have it sometimes not, just love the variance. I don't even mind a CR all in here against certain villains who will call with a diamond draw, heart draw, or any pair after making a sizeable turn bet, but this is definitely read dependent.
Basically I wouldn't even consider folding against someone with stats like this, sometimes high variance and high EV go hand in hand... Sauce. |
Excellent post Sauce.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Yeah betting is retarded.
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Yeah betting is retarded.
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good post
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Irisheyes
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c/c and fold river
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Jager
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Alright I did check...
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)
SB ($83)
Hero ($128.55)
UTG ($236.90)
MP ($15.40)
CO ($87.05)
Button ($137.70)
Preflop: Hero is BB with K, K.
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $16, UTG calls $15, CO folds.
Flop: ($37.50) 7, 9, Q (2 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30.
Turn: ($97.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $190.9 (All-In), Hero ????
Hero has ~82 left...
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bode
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i liked the c/c line for a reasonable bet, but i dont think i call a 2x pot overpush
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check the flop to raise all in.
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
i liked the c/c line for a reasonable bet, but i dont think i call a 2x pot overpush
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Hero has $82 left. I'd do what Saucy said.
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Genitruc
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board is draw-heavy enough and villain's post-flop aggro factor is high enough that I don't think betting again is terrible.
edit : having seen the turn action I think it's very close. If he's not completely retarded, he's either hoping you DO have a queen to pay off his boat or hoping you DON'T have a queen so you can instafold. Doing this with a made hand that you beat is beyond senseless...
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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IowaSkinsFan
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I call the turn in a second but im a spewy lagg. This is just so ridiculously bluffy.
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I can't see myself folding here either.
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call
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sauce123
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This is exactly what we want to happen....
EMBRACE THE VARIANCE!!!!
Sauce
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I got more flava than fruitstripe gum
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Jager
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I did call, but I felt that this is one of those ZOMG I have trips PUUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHHHHHH idiots. He did and turned AQ, then promptly left after this hand...
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Genitruc
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Originally Posted by Jager
I did call, but I felt that this is one of those ZOMG I have trips PUUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHHHHHH idiots. He did and turned AQ, then promptly left after this hand...
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vomit and reload wheeeeeee
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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if it's any consolation, you made skalnsky $ :P
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jyms
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On my tables he has AKs as often as AQ, hell I've even seen 45sooted here.
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jackvance
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Originally Posted by Jager
I did call, but I felt that this is one of those ZOMG I have trips PUUUUUUUUUUUUUSHHHHHHHHHH idiots.
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That's what I thought too and I'd a folded. I guess everyone else on this forum must get bluffed a ton more than me cuz they call here. If he doesn't have it but wants to see if you really showed weakness, what I often see is a weakish bet, not a shove.
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Numbr2intheWorld
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i'd almost expect to see JJ more from this guy than AQ.
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