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Iwind
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02-01-2006, 09:17 PM
Post subject: Another one, fold or call?
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Flush
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PokerRoom No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx
SB ($25.90)
BB ($16.60)
UTG ($39.05)
MP ($34.80)
Hero ($58.30)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 9 , Q.
UTG calls $0.50, MP checks, Hero calls $0.50, SB completes, BB checks.
Flop: ($3.50) 9 , Q , 6 (5 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.5, UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, Hero raises to $2.5, SB folds, BB calls $2, UTG calls $2.
Turn: ($11) 3 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $6, BB folds, UTG calls $6.
River: ($23) K (2 players)
UTG bets $30.05 (All-In), Here thinks a bit trying to decide what to do.
He just joined the table, so I have no reads on him apart from the way he was playing the hand. I think I did the right thing here, trusted my read based on the way he was playing the hand, wondering what others think I should do here though.
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zenbitz
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TJ? or 2 diamonds? Maybe KdXd ....
I think you gotta call this with 2 pair. I would probably fold TPTK.
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Iwind
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Flush
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Well, I put him on TJ from the way he was playing here, but it might also have been two diamonds of course, like a KX of dianomds like you suggested, but would he go all in on me then? Maybe with KJ diamonds, but I think it's most likely I'm beat. He might also be slowplaying a set, or been calling me with say 9K, thinking his mid pair was good at flop/turn. But I still think he had TJ, and wanted me to make a bad call, so I folded based on this.
And I will be paying $30 to win a $50 pot, don't think I'm ahead enough times for this to be profitable, other opinions?
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Pingviini
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Full House
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I dont like PF. Fold or raise.
Flop good
Turn raise more, coordinated board.
river read dependant.
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"Poker is a simple math game" -Aba20
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Miffed22001
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Straight Flush
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call
hope you havent been KQ'ed on the river 
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gabe
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Pingviini
I dont like PF. Fold or raise.
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and raising is more fun...
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r8ed
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I hate when these guys first get on a table and pull a move like this. If I'm not certain I have them, I let them take it until I see more from them. Sometimes they do this and leave right away. It looks like a busted flush draw but he could have K9/KQ/K6 and play it the same way. AK too though. I feel like a genius when I'm right and a moron when I'm wrong here. Fuck it - it's a busted flush. He would have raised a made hand earlier to protect against the flush.
As mentioned, bump up the turn bet toput him to the test.
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Iwind
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I don't like getting into kicker issues with Q9, but a suited Q9 in position, sure I should have raised there. And anyways, how come you guys don't put him on JT?
He gets 3,25:1 on the flop call and like 2,6:1 on the turn call with that, I know it's bad odds, but players here don't always think too much about that.
And I aggree it sucks when new players at the table do stuff like this, I was just sticking with my read by the way he played this hand alone, no way to find out if I was right or not
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biondino
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I think you've lost here, the way he's played each street. I'd fold regretfully.
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Bmxicle
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I like how you played it, except for maybe raising a bit more on the flop and turn. I generally fold this river, draws have completed, and there are alot of two pairs that beat you.
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zenbitz
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Quote:
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
call
hope you havent been KQ'ed on the river |
Pronounced "kinkied".
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zenbitz
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You can't put him on TJ exactly because you can basically never put anyone on any single hand exactly. TJ is *certainly* within his range here. It may even be the most likely single hand.
But there are reasons to suspect it's not the nuts, too - why push the nuts on the river vs. aggressor?
Anyway - I agree that it's likley TJ. But not certainly. And you are only getting like 3:2 on the call. He has to have TJ/set/Kings up less than 60% of the time to make this a clear call.
A meta reason to call is that it's awfully weak to Raise->Bet->Fold to a pseudoscare card. A good player should pick up on that and push you off you next hand on a scary river. I'm not sure I can put a future $$ amount on the call vs. fold here.
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Miffed22001
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