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02-08-2007, 05:58 PM
Post subject: Another Bluff (very surprising huh?)
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Straight Flush
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Boost is obviously an FTRer, and see's my bluffy posts where I make huge bluffs. This is the only table I'm at with him and I haven't been out of line. The thing that made me want to pull the trigger is the bets sizing. Boosts bet sizes after threebetting are normally 3/4ths, but this one is harder. Which makes me put him on AQ/KQ or AA, or maybe even something lighter because while Boosts threebet range isn't loose, it's looser versus my loose button stats.
PokerStars Game #8339410922: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/02/08 - 13:44:53 (ET)
Table 'Cyrene V' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: boostNslide ($102.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Heimdall87 ($94.80 in chips)
Seat 3: oyvindgee ($137.35 in chips)
Seat 5: Weak Tite ($116.80 in chips)
Seat 6: redgrape ($200.10 in chips)
boostNslide: posts small blind $0.50
Heimdall87: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to redgrape [Qs Ah]
oyvindgee: folds
Weak Tite: folds
redgrape: raises $3 to $4
boostNslide: raises $10 to $14
Heimdall87: folds
redgrape: calls $10
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jd 8s]
boostNslide: bets $24
redgrape: raises $162.10 to $186.10 and is all-in (Boost has 64 behind)
likey or don't like?
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silu73
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Thats pretty loose and I would look for a better spot here. I know you know opp but if he is solid enough he would look you up here.
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zenbitz
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what I don't like is that the flop hits his range pretty hard, and there is a flush draw + oodles of combo draws out... I think you fold out KQ half the time, and nothing better.
I guess if he is 3-betting kinda light then there are lots of AT/AJ/pp hands that have to fold.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I haven't done the math but I'm betting he has to fold around 25% of the time for this to be good, probably somewhere in between 15% - 25%. Also thoughts on EV regards to metagame?
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Numbr2intheWorld
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I doubt he's tipping off his bets, but if he did good read. This is a really scary board for him if he doesn't have KK or JJ, so i kinda like it. And you are also like 18% if he calls.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Massimo
I doubt he's tipping off his bets,
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It was probably subconcious... think, if you hit a set on this board, what are u more inclined to bet... 22 or 24?
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zook
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He might have bet $2 more than usual b/c it's a drawy board, or b/c he isn't great at math, lol. I don't like the bluff. There's so much he calls with that you'd have to be pretty confident that he's sick of your button stealing and is re-raising light. I think he calls you with AA/KK/JJ/AK obv, and maaaybe even QQ, given your image (prob not though). As for stuff he might have 3-bet light with, only AsJs and KJ are calls I think. So you're bluffing out any pp's <JJ, AQ & AJ. Yeah, I don't like it. As for metagame, do you really need to make these kinds of plays for that when you're constantly posting bluffs here? 
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IowaSkinsFan
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ahhh good point zook.
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gabe
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id rather call flop and just bet the turn
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Genitruc
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it's a very draw-heavy board so you'll get looked up here by QQ quite a bit.
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when the vpip's are high and the value bets are like razors, who can be safe?
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bode
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spew much?
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eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
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Rondavu
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Originally Posted by Bode-ist
spew much?
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QFT
I pulled a similar line against Fnord when we sat together, and he called with the flopped straight. We got to stack each other one time. When I stacked him he had a real hand. The point is, making big moves against people you know for the sake of making them is wicked dumb. I learned my lesson, and I hope you got the chance to learn yours.
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It's not what's inside that counts. Have you seen what's inside?
Internal organs. And they're getting uglier by the minute.
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IowaSkinsFan
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I didn't do it for the sake of making a wicked bluff, i did it because i thought it was good.
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This is not good considering your image and he may look you up lightly. And the fact that this board has draws coming out the yin yang should make this a pretty easy call for him IMO. These flop pushes seem to scream "bad hand but I gots outs!!" too.
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Originally Posted by sauce123
I don't get why you insist on stacking off with like jack high all the time.
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Another Brag (very surprising huh?)
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
Another Brag (very surprising huh?)
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Yeah, I like to brag when he calls me with AK and I lose. What a brag.
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biondino
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Don't be results oriented  . I posted the above because you really give off a sense of craving adulation from FTR's better players - which is understandable, but it seems you make wild moves in order to get it. I get a really strong feeling that you're play non-optimal poker because you love the edges and the risks rather than the fundamentals and the discipline, and I worry that rather than making 40k this year you're going to bust and/or quit because the REALITY of playing good poker is too boring for you.
Tell me if I'm way off the mark. I'm sorry for being snarky in my last post, it wasn't fair, but I do think there's cause for concern in your recent posts.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Thanks for the observation. Clearly if I'm giving off these signals there's some truth to them. So I'll think about what your saying and apply them.
However, I play lagg simply because I believe that playing lagg is the best way to maximize my winrate/ best way to improve as a player.
Note also while it may seem I am making ridiculous bluffs all the time, I post all of them, which have only been about 5 or 6 in 40k hands. The reason I'm posting them isn't to say I'm the man, as more than half the time I get caught, it is more to see if this was actually the best way to play the hand.
BTW I'm not trying to make 40k this year, I'm trying to make it over my 4 years at college so my tuition and loans are completely paid off.
I'm surprised you said that I do this for admiration from FTR's better players, I don't. While that kind of thing is nice to have, I post these KNOWING that I'm going to get scrutinized by at least half the posts. It's completely obvious, people here don't feel like bluffing shouldn't be a big part of your game at 100NL, which is understandable.
However, I've been experimenting with my game a lot to balance my hand ranges (this is a perfect example, as this for a typical 100NL nit is always a set) and three betting light.
Personally, I believe this experimentation will not only help me at higher levels, but also help at this level. People underestimate how nitty the regs are and how bad they are at playing back. One of the reasons I post these is to show people how u can bluff at these levels, and not just 1k, or 2kNL.
Anyways, that's my rant. Thanks for the insight biondino. I'm a strong believer that if someone says something about you there's always something to it.
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Miffed22001
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hello spew. What exactly do you think boosts reraise range is and what hand do you think hes going to fold. QQ is the only one, and even then he might talk himself into a call.
If you had a real hand this is pretty cool considering he wont fold tptk/AA here ever on this action.
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However, I play lagg simply because I believe that playing lagg is the best way to maximize my winrate/ best way to improve as a player.
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i dont agree with this. Lagg is arguably the best way to play in the stars game if you know how to repeatedly exploit ABC taggs in the small/mid stakes games.
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IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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However, I play lagg simply because I believe that playing lagg is the best way to maximize my winrate/ best way to improve as a player.
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i dont agree with this. Lagg is arguably the best way to play in the stars game if you know how to repeatedly exploit ABC taggs in the small/mid stakes games. |
Wait I don't understand... The only difference in what, at least I thought, I said and what you said is the use of the word arguably for the word I believe. And to me that's almost the same thing? So am I missing something here?
And also if I have a nit image and instead of it being boost it's some nit reg is this push good?
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benny999
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I agree this is better as a value push, folding is the best move, and calling the flop reps a strong or semi strong hand better than pushing, and you can be more confident he has 99, AQ type hands on the turn or river.
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boost
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Pot is 28, 24 cbet is std for me.
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Miffed22001
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Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan
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Originally Posted by Miffed22001
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However, I play lagg simply because I believe that playing lagg is the best way to maximize my winrate/ best way to improve as a player.
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i dont agree with this. Lagg is arguably the best way to play in the stars game if you know how to repeatedly exploit ABC taggs in the small/mid stakes games. |
Wait I don't understand... The only difference in what, at least I thought, I said and what you said is the use of the word arguably for the word I believe. And to me that's almost the same thing? So am I missing something here?
And also if I have a nit image and instead of it being boost it's some nit reg is this push good? |
i said stars specifically, you said LAGG generally. Lagg isnt the best style for the boss media network, nor for prima if you want a high winrate
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IowaSkinsFan
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Good point, i probably came to that conclusion since i play on stars and the 100nl tables can be so nitty.
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boost
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Full House
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lolo.. your bluffs get no respect on my tables, my responses get no respect in your threads...
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