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r8ed

08-31-2006, 04:21 AM Post subject: Anna K.

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No pair = fold? What's the best I can really hope for that reraises preflop? AQ? Villain is 47/12 and I was 19/10.

***** Hand History for Game 5067928128 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 30, 23:21:16 ET 2006
Table Fishionado (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Nolimit1971 ( $119.55 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $317.25 )
Seat 6: nyffe ( $92 )
Seat 5: KingCodeRed ( $295.18 )
Seat 4: Tylertkw ( $211.78 )
Seat 1: ThizzFacinU ( $100 )
nyffe posts small blind [$0.50].
ThizzFacinU posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ As Kc ]
Hero raises [$4].
Nolimit1971 folds.
Tylertkw folds.
KingCodeRed folds.
>You have options at Table 106811 Table!.
nyffe raises [$6.50].
ThizzFacinU folds.
Hero calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2d, Tc, 2s ]
>You have options at Gamehendge Table!.
>You have options at Gamehendge Table!.
>You have options at Table 106811 Table!.
nyffe bets [$6.33].
Hero calls [$6.33].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4d ]
nyffe bets [$24.42].
Hero folds.
>You have options at Table 106811 Table!.
nyffe does not show cards.
nyffe wins $50.73

I check behind because this guy was a short stack and he pushed some hands earlier. It was a close call but I just couldn't bring myself to call without a pair here. I figure I have a shot to take his stack later.

***** Hand History for Game 5067751825 *****
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, August 30, 23:02:00 ET 2006
Table Table 108723 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: picobot ( $117.10 )
Seat 2: Hero ( $203.73 )
Seat 4: jdm894 ( $14.59 )
Seat 6: xenolith ( $50.21 )
Seat 3: diplomat321 ( $86.50 )
diplomat321 posts small blind [$0.50].
jdm894 posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ks Ah ]
picobot folds.
xenolith raises [$5].
Hero raises [$15].
diplomat321 folds.
jdm894 folds.
i have something
xenolith calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 4h, 8d ]
xenolith checks.
Hero checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2d ]
xenolith is all-In.
>You have options at Gamehendge Table!.
>You have options at Fishionado Table!.
>You have options at Table 106811 Table!.
Hero folds.
xenolith shows [ Kd, 3d ] high card king.
xenolith wins $65.16 from the main pot with high card king.

Standard folds?

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benny999

08-31-2006, 11:40 AM

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1- I think fold flop if you plan to fold turn, unless you were planning a float.

2- I agree with taking his stack later, and good fold on turn...a couple days ago I was tilting and had a very similar hand, thought I had induced a bluff checking the flop and called a similar size turn push, the tricky shorty had KK

So no worries about the results, he could have had any pair, don't let the donk show get to you. The only other option I see is cbetting 2/3 to 3/4 of shorty's stack on the flop, especially if he was raising/calling big raises too much.

biondino

08-31-2006, 11:55 AM

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Hand 2, I make a standard c-bet on the flop. You re-raised pre-flop, he HAS to think his K3 is beaten here. If he has the balls to re-raise you, then you can fold, but 90% of players won't.

alias2211

08-31-2006, 07:05 PM

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hand 2 cbet flop. he is observant by knowing that his chance to win the pot is pretty much ONLY when you check the flop so he can open shove on the turn w/ that crap board. and he did have the flush/gutter draw combo so it's not like it was a completely crazy push, good spot for it really. but he could and probably should usually make the same move no matter what falls on the turn.

as played, reasonable fold, but i really think you have to cbet flop there.

In answer to your question... it depends...
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Miffed22001

08-31-2006, 07:12 PM

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hand2 is weak.

r8ed

08-31-2006, 07:30 PM

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I take a free card here sometimes when I raise preflop. The reason is he knows that flop doesn't help me. If I cbet, he can pull the same move which is more likely from a short stack. If I take a free card and spike a K or A, I'm good. I planned on betting the turn if checked to regardless. I do this with made hands as well at times against the right opponents.

Plus, I'm an 85% underdog to any pair. I'd rather wait for a better edge than that.

gabe

08-31-2006, 07:52 PM

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r8ed, checking the flop is fine in hand 2, but bet it sometimes. if you check the flop though i think betting any turn is a bad idea.

r8ed

08-31-2006, 08:15 PM

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I bet it 90% of the time but for the reasons above I checked this time. To be honest, I can't believe the number of times I check the flop in position and then take it down when checked to at 100NL - even into two opps. I think they are freaked out when I DON'T CBET!

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