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FlyingSaucy

07-01-2009, 04:30 AM Post subject: Am I past the commitment threshold?

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UTG+1 was a loose raiser running 52/39 over 150 hands but was easy to play post flop.

CO has been a tough, decent thinking aggro. 25/20/5 over 150 hands. We each took a couple medium pots from each other that showed down mid pairs, so there was some amount of playing back at each other going on looking for fold equity.

In this hand I wonder if I should never have repped such strength on the flop. Feel over-committed here but equity is low because I'm relying entirely on hand strength to carry me if I make the stack call. Verdict is probably that the flop is a bad spot to make a loose 3 bet against 2 opps. I get that. Wonder what your thoughts are if you take these kinds of edges against aggros and what would it take to stack off with a tpnk/draw hand.

What's worse, making the 3bet or calling the push? Is folding to the push possible? And I swear to god the first one of you who says "turned your hand into a bluff" or "shenanigans" gets a pistol whip.

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Stacks:
UTG ($184.35)
UTG+1 ($288.20)
CO ($278.35)
Hero (BTN) ($119.75)
SB ($100.00)
BB ($100.00)

Pre-flop: ($1.50, 6 players) Hero is BTN

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, CO calls $3, Hero calls $3, 2 folds

Flop:

($10.50, 3 players)
UTG+1 bets $4, CO raises to $14, Hero raises to $38, UTG+1 folds, CO goes all-in $275.35, $78.75 to Hero ($78.75)?

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Vi-Zer0Skill

07-01-2009, 04:45 AM

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your best play is definitely to just call CO's raise. you have position and want to keep the fish in the pot. your hand is not doing bad against CO's raising range.

making the 3bet is worse than calling the push

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oskar

07-01-2009, 09:12 AM

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Unless a heart comes, you can really only improve your hand against his range by the turn...
You have some showdown value, and you're not bluffing out many, if any hands that have you beat... sooo

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UTG+1 was a loose raiser running 52/39 over 150 hands but was easy to play post flop.

This is imoooortaaaant... how does he play? Is he a station or does he play fit or fold?
But still... even in the most optimal circumstances I would rather call than 3b.

Alexos

07-01-2009, 09:24 AM

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UTG is a donk, so CO has a wide value range for raising this flop, plus the fact that he's very aggro... Id 3-bet it and expect him to fold some better hands

Once u 3bet, snappppp this. Stove it, theres no way u can 3bet then fold.

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griffey24

07-01-2009, 03:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

Once u 3bet, snappppp this. Stove it, theres no way u can 3bet then fold.

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07-01-2009, 04:20 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by griffey24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alexos

Once u 3bet, snappppp this. Stove it, theres no way u can 3bet then fold.

This.
You need to know the plan before you raise. You can't be thinking about commitment after the raise. Your commitment question comes with the raise.

edit: I forgot to mention that both Sklansky and Samoleus have mentioned that there is only one golden rule in poker. Anytime you are going to put money in the pot, You must always know what your going to do if raised.

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