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Old 08-03-2008, 07:29 PM     Post subject: Am i a jackass? #1 (permalink)  
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Alright so im a bit jetlagged and in the middle of a losing session, but how'dya reckon i play this? --I'm Parislad--
Not been sat down long-1 previous hand v this guy where he raised and bet top set KKK hard (it was a 3-club flop nonetheless though)
[sorry for being on ongame nw btw. Quite new to FTR]

Table 'Petaluma': $0.50-$0.50 No Limit HE (Real)
Seat 0: carpman189 ($72.33 in chips)
Seat 5: Veikko-Kulta ($118.59 in chips)
Seat 6: MrRodro ($68.71 in chips) (on the button)
Seat 8: Parislad ($58.30 in chips)
*** Blind Bet Round *** :
Parislad : Post Blind ($0.25)
carpman189 : Post Blind ($0.50)
Dealt to Parislad: Qh
Dealt to Parislad: Qc
*** Pre-Flop *** :
Veikko-Kulta : Fold
MrRodro : Fold
Parislad : Bet ($1.50)
carpman189 : Call ($1.25)
*** Flop *** : 6h 3d 7d
Parislad : Bet ($2.50)
carpman189 : Raise ($5)
Parislad : Call ($2.50)
*** Turn *** : [ 6h 3d 7d ] 2s
Parislad : Check
carpman189 : Bet ($10)
Parislad : Raise ($25)
carpman189 : Raise ($30)
Parislad : Raise ($26.55)
Parislad : All In ($51.55)
carpman189 : Call ($11.55)
*** River *** : [ 6h 3d 7d 2s ] Kh
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Old 08-03-2008, 08:51 PM #2 (permalink)  
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you played it poorly. i wouldnt c/r turn unless you think hes full of shit. calling turn and evaluating river is better.
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Old 08-03-2008, 09:06 PM #3 (permalink)  
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Re-raise flop and don't be scared to get it in - too many draws and weaker overpairs are comfortably in his range. As played, you don't need to go apeshit on the turn like that, and I can't really figure out why you did. You're giving him a golden chance to play his cards as correctly as possible - he won't want to continue with worse than QQ and will absolutely stack you with better (unless of course he's brainless, giving you leave to play it however you want).
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:03 AM #4 (permalink)  
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All, responses and questions are meaningless.

Everyone knows poker is a situational game.

It is so situational, that almost any decision however sound or correct is almost meaningless once reduced to the context of internet forums,
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:04 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I would raise the flop.

You're in a position where I would be happy to commit all my chips. As far as the hand turns out it appears to get worse & worse, maybe you were behind all along, but hey!

Normally you're ahead on the flop; however there are many hands that can overtake you. Also many hand that you get value for playing against will call reraise.

Poker is all about getting the best value for any given hand. Here I believe best value is to take the flop, I would also be prepared to call any resistance on the flop.

With it playing out like it did I may fold, not sure matters a great deal long-term however. Sometimes win, sometimes lose.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:38 AM #6 (permalink)  
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I would raise the flop.

You're in a position where I would be happy to commit all my chips. As far as the hand turns out it appears to get worse & worse, maybe you were behind all along, but hey!

Normally you're ahead on the flop; however there are many hands that can overtake you. Also many hand that you get value for playing against will call reraise.

Poker is all about getting the best value for any given hand. Here I believe best value is to take the flop, I would also be prepared to call any resistance on the flop.

With it playing out like it did I may fold, not sure matters a great deal long-term however. Sometimes win, sometimes lose.
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Old 08-04-2008, 12:49 AM #7 (permalink)  
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I would raise the flop.

You're in a position where I would be happy to commit all my chips. As far as the hand turns out it appears to get worse & worse, maybe you were behind all along, but hey!

Normally you're ahead on the flop; however there are many hands that can overtake you. Also many hand that you get value for playing against will call reraise.

Poker is all about getting the best value for any given hand. Here I believe best value is to take the flop, I would also be prepared to call any resistance on the flop.

With it playing out like it did I may fold, not sure matters a great deal long-term however. Sometimes win, sometimes lose.
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Old 08-04-2008, 01:59 AM #8 (permalink)  
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$15 on the flop, rest goes in on the turn.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:02 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Firstly thanks for your responses, appreciate it as a new user

Here's my thinking;justified?
pf:he could have any old shite
f:min raise-is he tentatively testing my c-bet? is this some crappy semi bluff? set? 45? [in order of likeliness]
t: I check to let him bet bluff it, planning to raise to trap. wouldn't believe his pot bet meant he had me beat. So i reckoned any bet like this would just be him trying to take it away. I was only scared of sets. couldn't lay it after the raise.
suppose the moral here is try not to play big pots when you don't know much about about the opponent. or when you're tired

Also, dalecooper, i don't understand the 'getitallin' mentality on the flop-doesn't that just scare off all worser hands and welcome all bigger ones to take your fat stack? please help me understand this
thanks again for all responses
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:27 PM #10 (permalink)  
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Also, dalecooper, i don't understand the 'getitallin' mentality on the flop-doesn't that just scare off all worser hands and welcome all bigger ones to take your fat stack? please help me understand this
The reason I say that is because this flop is low and draw-happy, suggesting that he could have: 1. a flush draw; 2. a straight draw; 3. some combination of those two, or a pair plus one those draws; 4. a weaker overpair than QQ. For that matter he could have bullshit and be feeling you out. The flop raises lots of possibilities, most of which you are ahead of - but not necessarily WAY ahead of. So raise for value, & raise to protect your hand which is ahead of his range. You're not necessarily TRYING to get all in on the flop, but I think you should re-raise him and I think you shouldn't be too scared of going the distance if forced.

I think you'll find that a large % of the time your re-raise just gets called, and you can push most turn cards without much worry of being beat. Hence Fnord's advice.
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:14 PM #11 (permalink)  
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good clear explaination-very helpful. thanks. my problem was that i crazily assumed my QQ would always be the best hand and wasnt aggressive enough in protecting it. even though he'd actually flopped the straight i can see why your reasoning here is best
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Old 08-04-2008, 04:33 PM #12 (permalink)  
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Yep - that's what we in the business* like to call a cooler. It happens, you just have to pay them off and move on.

One other quick comment - you maybe couldn't get away from it at that point because of pot size, but when you check-raised the turn and he 3-bet, that's a clear warning sign. I'm also guessing he would have 4-bet the flop if you re-raised, since he did already have the straight - that's another warning sign. That's where you can consider going into calldown mode or even think about a fold. That's another thing that you get from a flop re-raise: better information about your opponent's hand strength. (Thought I'd caution you against ever raising JUST for information; that should be way down the list below value, protection, bluffing, blocking. Information happens en route to other goals.)
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f:min raise-is he tentatively testing my c-bet? is this some crappy semi bluff? set? 45? [in order of likeliness]
IMO this is also where you went wrong. You will find that people will rarely bluff like maniacs and unless you have a read on someone the order of likeliness in your hand should almost be reversed from your list above. You also need to add in hands like draws and one/two pair type hands to your range.
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