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Old 08-12-2008, 10:16 PM     Post subject: Am I that dumb? #1 (permalink)  
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$3/$6 No Limit Holdem
6 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($610.65)
UTG+1 ($618.00)
CO ($591.00)
Hero ($591.00)
SB ($587.40)
BB ($646.00)

Pre-flop: ($9, 6 players) Hero is BTN
3 folds, Hero raises to $30, 1 fold, BB calls $24

Flop: ($63, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $60, BB calls $60

Turn: ($183, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $120, BB raises to $250, Hero goes all-in $501, BB calls $251

River: ($1185, 2 players)

Final Pot: $1185
Hero shows:
BB shows:

BB wins $1182 ( won +$591 )
Hero lost -$591.00


Is this as spewy and dumb as I think? Villian is a regular, abc tag style. Not too much history with him, but I was getting annoyed with his aggression. I am trying to multi 600NL. I have to get used to making decisions quicker, I am used to 1 tabling higher stakes. I adopt a laggy style. I came across this hand through my PT and forgot about it. I did however make my money + some a few hands later.
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:30 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't understand why you would bet the turn if you think villain is spewy enough for your 3-bet to be a good play. Just check and call a river bet if that's your read on him.
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Old 08-12-2008, 10:58 PM #3 (permalink)  
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You are right. Even the turn bet was horrid. I am trying to contribute more to FTR community, as my game has improved 1000x in 5 years from this site.

I should have checked the turn/fold the river. Do you see any time where the turn bet is a good play other than a bluff?
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Old 08-13-2008, 01:33 AM #4 (permalink)  
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Against a good player at 600NL I would check the turn and c/fold river.
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Old 08-13-2008, 03:21 AM #5 (permalink)  
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I didn't notice that you raised 5x the BB, this is completely unnecessary and makes him likely to fold most of the hands you want to be playing a pot in position against. If you had raised a normal amount to 3x then I think you might want to consider calling a river bet some percentage of the time.
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Old 08-13-2008, 06:39 AM #6 (permalink)  
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 yeah 5x is an indefensibly poor size for a button raise
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Old 08-13-2008, 12:11 PM #7 (permalink)  
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To play devil's advocate for a second, I think it's (arguably) reasonable tactics to raise more in late position with big hands (I mean KK and AA primarily, but QQ, AKs, and maybe JJ also). Reason being, you get a bigger pot going if/when someone calls you, and it's easier to get stacks in. Additionally, you might get people 3-betting you light or playing back at you post-flop specifically because they think your raise size is weak - it's a built-in level against some players. Where 99 comes into it is range balancing - if you do this with strong hands and are playing with regs, you need to occasionally do it with weaker hands, and also occasionally not do it with the strong ones.

However - I have no idea if that relates to hero's thinking here at all. Maybe he just hates playing 99, or maybe he always opens for 5x on the button. In which case I'd have to agree with nuts and mcat. You'll get more action and more profits opening for a standard amount.
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:11 PM #8 (permalink)  
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You should be raising the button with 30% of hands or more. How does it make any sense to tailor your button strategy around KK/AA which are less than 1% of hands?
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Old 08-13-2008, 02:38 PM #9 (permalink)  
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Meh, I'm honestly not interested enough to turn this into a discussion. But I don't think it's a particularly controversial idea. I'm pretty sure Harrington's cash game book, among others, advocates something like this. I don't do it myself unless I'm trying to fuck with a particularly aggressive player who is ready to play back at me anyway.
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Old 08-13-2008, 04:47 PM #10 (permalink)  
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 Umm.. I check behind this turn a very high percentage of the time, unless I have a reason to believe that villain will go nuts trying to bluff rep this A witih a worse hand than ours.

Even still, I think our hand is kind of too weak to be bluff inducing here. Good spot for pot control.
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