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Old 04-07-2007, 07:23 PM     Post subject: am I being a top pair donk? #1 (permalink)  
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villain is 60/20 and aggro post flop.
i've been tag, but running bad at this table, and might have a sorta weak image.
wish i had more reads, but here's a little more- villain had tried a big bluff against me earlier, but folded when I pushed the turn. he also played a draw aggro earlier.

I wasn't sure how much to reraise pre flop. then post flop I wanted to trap JT, or worse Kx.

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UTG: $763.35
Button: $197
Hero: $354
BB: $249.45

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is SB with K A
UTG raises to $7, Button folds, Hero raises to $25, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 8 K Q ($52, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $52, Hero calls.

Turn: 3 ($156, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $156, Hero raises all-in $277, UTG calls.
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Old 04-07-2007, 07:39 PM #2 (permalink)  
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I don't like this re-raise then check-call line, especailly on this board. If he is really aggro and you think you are good, then lead into him and let him re-raise you. If he tends to open more and not re-raise a whole lot, I prefer check pushing after his pot bet. after that, there is $104 in the pot, and you have $225 left, so you don't have a whole lot of other options.
Also, since your out of position, I don't mind just calling the raise here.
 
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Old 04-07-2007, 07:47 PM #3 (permalink)  
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thanks that makes sense, but main thing is i'm making sure that folding on this board shouldn't cross my mind, given i haven't seen him stack off on tpwk or something?

i think i'm overanalyzing it...
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Old 04-07-2007, 07:51 PM #4 (permalink)  
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I don't think so (answering original post question). Being 4 handed and given the villain, would you ever get away from this hand after the flop in re-raised pot? I'm seriously asking because I don't think I would.

If the answer is no, I think you're line would extract a lot more value out of hands you beat.

I think I always lead the flop here after re-raising pre so I'm interested to see what others say. Getting raised big there would suck against this guy so I don't know.
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Old 04-07-2007, 08:01 PM #5 (permalink)  
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I don't think so (answering original post question). Being 4 handed and given the villain, would you ever get away from this hand after the flop in re-raised pot? I'm seriously asking because I don't think I would.
it woulda been a lot easier to play for 100bb, but playing 175bb and not great reads I questioned it.
maybe I shoulda just reraised an extra 10bb or so to make it simpler?
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Old 04-07-2007, 08:29 PM #6 (permalink)  
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 he's 60/20 it's hard to lay this down. The board is really dry though, and the only thing you're beating is a Kx. So i reluctantly fold the turn like a nit.
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Old 04-08-2007, 08:25 AM #7 (permalink)  
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he's 60/20 it's hard to lay this down. The board is really dry though, and the only thing you're beating is a Kx. So i reluctantly fold the turn like a nit.
ya sometimes i'm not paying great attention, and see someone playing kinda wild, so I figure they'd play KJ- or JT like the nuts here.
but maybe they'd adjust playing against a tag and not overvalue one pair so much, or maybe they only played wild since they were tilting, etc.
still not sure about the value of using broader descriptions like that for how to play a particular hand, instead of seeing specific hands first, like him overvaluing tpwk, or seeing if he'd been tightening up recently or something like that.

but that did end up happening later, so it made me feel better about stacking off to KQ above...

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Stack sizes:
UTG: $110.90
UTG+1: $983.20
CO: $470.95
Button: $197
Hero: $193
BB: $169.75

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is SB with 3 T
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $7, CO raises to $24, Button folds, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: T 9 6 ($51, 2 players)
UTG+1 bets $51, CO raises to $150, UTG+1 raises all-in $959.2, CO calls all-in $446.95.
Uncalled bets: $362.25 returned to UTG+1.

Turn: A ($1244.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1244.9)


River: J ($1244.9, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $1244.9)


Results:
Final pot: $1244.9
UTG+1 shows Tc Qc
CO shows Ad Kd

why couldn't I be CO here? my money...poker is cruel! haha.
k enough rambling, i feel a little better about this, but still, folding the turn, or taking a bet-fold line somewhere, might've been the best play given i didnt have great reads and stacks kinda deep.
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Old 04-08-2007, 01:04 PM #8 (permalink)  
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